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 Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 11:24 pm Post subject: Re: TOP POSTING |
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What DOESN'T make sense, however, it having to read through everything
you've already read in order to get to the single line that's new.
But, you do what you like. Be sure to extend me the same courtesy.
I bottom post because it's the convention and is regarded as manners,
you want to play a different game then don't be surprised if your
contributions are ignored.
I don't mind being ignored, it's very much the loss of those prepared to
irrationally and illogically ignore a comment simply because it is
top-posted, rather than any particular bore for me.
But it isn't irrational or illogical, the rationality is that's the
ettiquette and it's logical everyone in the same game plays by the same
rules, you want to swim against the tide, your choice, all I'm pointing
out it could lead to your overall loss.
You miss the point. It is irrational and illogical to dismiss a comment
based simply on its position on the page.
It's the ones trying to force their opinions on everyone else that are
making all the fuss. I'm content to post how I like and allow others to
do the same.
When you play football or snooker or any other game do you change the
rules everyone else is using because you feel like it, just because you
have the power to do so?
This isn't football or snooker, there are no rules. There may be traditions,
but when traditions are overtaken, one usually finds a few old codgers
refusing to leave their house and cursing as the tsunami bears down upon
them.
My stance is tolerance. I do not require you to post in a certain way.
Any thing else is simply small-man-syndrome converted into it's usenet
form.
Usually interaction between humans within previously set parameters is
called co-operation.
This is not co-operation or interaction, it is dictation. The top-posters
say, "You WILL do it my way!"
I prefer top-posting but will not force my view on anyone and will post
appropriately depending on how the thread is progressing. Sometimes top,
sometimes bottom, sometimes interlaced. You do it howsoever you desire.
Well I hope it works for you, AFAIC I've already skipped several of your |
posts in another thread and shall continue to do so, as I suspect will
many others. |
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 2:35 am Post subject: Re: TOP POSTING |
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This is not co-operation or interaction, it is dictation. The top-posters
say, "You WILL do it my way!"
I prefer top-posting but will not force my view on anyone and will post
appropriately depending on how the thread is progressing. Sometimes top,
sometimes bottom, sometimes interlaced. You do it howsoever you desire.
Well I hope it works for you, AFAIC I've already skipped several of your
posts in another thread and shall continue to do so, as I suspect will
many others.
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Like I said, your loss. It is you who are lesser educated for it. |
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 11:05 am Post subject: Re: TOP POSTING |
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mattic wrote:
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"NM" <never.opened@all.com> wrote in message
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This is not co-operation or interaction, it is dictation. The top-posters
say, "You WILL do it my way!"
I prefer top-posting but will not force my view on anyone and will post
appropriately depending on how the thread is progressing. Sometimes top,
sometimes bottom, sometimes interlaced. You do it howsoever you desire.
Well I hope it works for you, AFAIC I've already skipped several of your
posts in another thread and shall continue to do so, as I suspect will
many others.
Like I said, your loss. It is you who are lesser educated for it.
The purpose is to communicate, you choose to communicate differently |
(you may as well speak a different language whilst in the UK it would be
just as logical).
Somehow I doubt if missing any pearls of your imparted wisdom will make
a significant hole in my education, if you need to be out of step then
it's likely your views are equally eccentric. |
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 3:04 pm Post subject: Re: TOP POSTING |
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"NM" <never.opened@all.com> wrote in message
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mattic wrote:
"NM" <never.opened@all.com> wrote in message
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This is not co-operation or interaction, it is dictation. The
top-posters say, "You WILL do it my way!"
I prefer top-posting but will not force my view on anyone and will post
appropriately depending on how the thread is progressing. Sometimes
top, sometimes bottom, sometimes interlaced. You do it howsoever you
desire.
Well I hope it works for you, AFAIC I've already skipped several of your
posts in another thread and shall continue to do so, as I suspect will
many others.
Like I said, your loss. It is you who are lesser educated for it.
The purpose is to communicate, you choose to communicate differently (you
may as well speak a different language whilst in the UK it would be just
as logical).
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No, it is not. You really must snap out of this. You analogy is crap.
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Somehow I doubt if missing any pearls of your imparted wisdom will make a
significant hole in my education
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Not significant, no, I'm sure you won't die from it.
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if you need to be out of step then it's likely your views are equally
eccentric.
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I have no need to be out of step at all. I'm not advocating top posting. I
merely state that I prefer it. But I have no problems with how anyone posts.
It's you
that has the problem and it's leading you to illogical intransigence. |
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 3:22 pm Post subject: Re: TOP POSTING |
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mattic wrote:
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"NM" <never.opened@all.com> wrote in message
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mattic wrote:
"NM" <never.opened@all.com> wrote in message
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This is not co-operation or interaction, it is dictation. The
top-posters say, "You WILL do it my way!"
I prefer top-posting but will not force my view on anyone and will post
appropriately depending on how the thread is progressing. Sometimes
top, sometimes bottom, sometimes interlaced. You do it howsoever you
desire.
Well I hope it works for you, AFAIC I've already skipped several of your
posts in another thread and shall continue to do so, as I suspect will
many others.
Like I said, your loss. It is you who are lesser educated for it.
The purpose is to communicate, you choose to communicate differently (you
may as well speak a different language whilst in the UK it would be just
as logical).
No, it is not. You really must snap out of this. You analogy is crap.
Somehow I doubt if missing any pearls of your imparted wisdom will make a
significant hole in my education
Not significant, no, I'm sure you won't die from it.
if you need to be out of step then it's likely your views are equally
eccentric.
I have no need to be out of step at all. I'm not advocating top posting. I
merely state that I prefer it. But I have no problems with how anyone posts.
It's you
that has the problem and it's leading you to illogical intransigence.
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Of course how silly of me not to realise, your choice not to follow
convention is MY fault? |
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 4:25 pm Post subject: Re: TOP POSTING |
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"NM" <never.opened@all.com> wrote in message
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mattic wrote:
"NM" <never.opened@all.com> wrote in message
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mattic wrote:
"NM" <never.opened@all.com> wrote in message
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This is not co-operation or interaction, it is dictation. The
top-posters say, "You WILL do it my way!"
I prefer top-posting but will not force my view on anyone and will
post
appropriately depending on how the thread is progressing. Sometimes
top, sometimes bottom, sometimes interlaced. You do it howsoever you
desire.
Well I hope it works for you, AFAIC I've already skipped several of
your
posts in another thread and shall continue to do so, as I suspect will
many others.
Like I said, your loss. It is you who are lesser educated for it.
The purpose is to communicate, you choose to communicate differently
(you
may as well speak a different language whilst in the UK it would be just
as logical).
No, it is not. You really must snap out of this. You analogy is crap.
Somehow I doubt if missing any pearls of your imparted wisdom will make
a
significant hole in my education
Not significant, no, I'm sure you won't die from it.
if you need to be out of step then it's likely your views are equally
eccentric.
I have no need to be out of step at all. I'm not advocating top posting.
I
merely state that I prefer it. But I have no problems with how anyone
posts. It's you
that has the problem and it's leading you to illogical intransigence.
Of course how silly of me not to realise, your choice not to follow
convention is MY fault?
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Gosh, you really are bad at following a logical argument, aren't you?!
It's not your fault I won't follow. But it is very much your fault that you
continue to whine (futilely) about it. You have a thought stuck in your mind
and then you try to invent (il)logic to justify it. It's just plain silly.
That's you, Firth and jf, all making twats of yourselves by stating that the
position on a page renders comments irrelevant. Tell me, if I cut and paste
your comments at the top of the page, will they suddenly become worthless?
That's what your saying. Silly. |
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 4:27 pm Post subject: Re: TOP POSTING |
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That's what your saying.
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Fuck! I hate that! "you're" Damn interweb! |
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 4:28 pm Post subject: Re: TOP POSTING |
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mattic wrote:
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"NM" <never.opened@all.com> wrote in message
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mattic wrote:
"NM" <never.opened@all.com> wrote in message
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mattic wrote:
"NM" <never.opened@all.com> wrote in message
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This is not co-operation or interaction, it is dictation. The
top-posters say, "You WILL do it my way!"
I prefer top-posting but will not force my view on anyone and will
post
appropriately depending on how the thread is progressing. Sometimes
top, sometimes bottom, sometimes interlaced. You do it howsoever you
desire.
Well I hope it works for you, AFAIC I've already skipped several of
your
posts in another thread and shall continue to do so, as I suspect will
many others.
Like I said, your loss. It is you who are lesser educated for it.
The purpose is to communicate, you choose to communicate differently
(you
may as well speak a different language whilst in the UK it would be just
as logical).
No, it is not. You really must snap out of this. You analogy is crap.
Somehow I doubt if missing any pearls of your imparted wisdom will make
a
significant hole in my education
Not significant, no, I'm sure you won't die from it.
if you need to be out of step then it's likely your views are equally
eccentric.
I have no need to be out of step at all. I'm not advocating top posting.
I
merely state that I prefer it. But I have no problems with how anyone
posts. It's you
that has the problem and it's leading you to illogical intransigence.
Of course how silly of me not to realise, your choice not to follow
convention is MY fault?
Gosh, you really are bad at following a logical argument, aren't you?!
It's not your fault I won't follow. But it is very much your fault that you
continue to whine (futilely) about it. You have a thought stuck in your mind
and then you try to invent (il)logic to justify it. It's just plain silly.
That's you, Firth and jf, all making twats of yourselves by stating that the
position on a page renders comments irrelevant. Tell me, if I cut and paste
your comments at the top of the page, will they suddenly become worthless?
That's what your saying. Silly.
Bye Bye, Life's too short for your crap, your bed, you lie in it. |
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: TOP POSTING |
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"NM" <never.opened@all.com> wrote in message
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mattic wrote:
"NM" <never.opened@all.com> wrote in message
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mattic wrote:
"NM" <never.opened@all.com> wrote in message
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mattic wrote:
"NM" <never.opened@all.com> wrote in message
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This is not co-operation or interaction, it is dictation. The
top-posters say, "You WILL do it my way!"
I prefer top-posting but will not force my view on anyone and will
post
appropriately depending on how the thread is progressing. Sometimes
top, sometimes bottom, sometimes interlaced. You do it howsoever
you
desire.
Well I hope it works for you, AFAIC I've already skipped several of
your
posts in another thread and shall continue to do so, as I suspect
will
many others.
Like I said, your loss. It is you who are lesser educated for it.
The purpose is to communicate, you choose to communicate differently
(you
may as well speak a different language whilst in the UK it would be
just
as logical).
No, it is not. You really must snap out of this. You analogy is crap.
Somehow I doubt if missing any pearls of your imparted wisdom will
make a
significant hole in my education
Not significant, no, I'm sure you won't die from it.
if you need to be out of step then it's likely your views are equally
eccentric.
I have no need to be out of step at all. I'm not advocating top
posting. I
merely state that I prefer it. But I have no problems with how anyone
posts. It's you
that has the problem and it's leading you to illogical intransigence.
Of course how silly of me not to realise, your choice not to follow
convention is MY fault?
Gosh, you really are bad at following a logical argument, aren't you?!
It's not your fault I won't follow. But it is very much your fault that
you continue to whine (futilely) about it. You have a thought stuck in
your mind and then you try to invent (il)logic to justify it. It's just
plain silly.
That's you, Firth and jf, all making twats of yourselves by stating that
the position on a page renders comments irrelevant. Tell me, if I cut and
paste your comments at the top of the page, will they suddenly become
worthless? That's what your saying. Silly.
Bye Bye, Life's too short for your crap, your bed, you lie in it.
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My crap? My bed? I have neither. I'm advocating tolerance and letting people
please themselves without having to be subject to the abuse and derision of
people like you. YOU'RE the one bleating like a bitch because people won't
do it your way. You stop dictating and forcing your views on others and this
will all go away. It's within your power. The fact that you cannot let it go
and have to invent silly arguments to support yourself is testament to the
madness that engulfs you.
You realise that killfiling is the ultimate capitulation, don't you? It's
the cyber equivilent of running away with your hands over your ears yelling,
"Lalalalala!" |
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 4:59 pm Post subject: Re: TOP POSTING |
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"mattic" <this@wontwork.com> wrote in message
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My crap? My bed? I have neither. I'm advocating tolerance and letting
people please themselves without having to be subject to the abuse and
derision of people like you. YOU'RE the one bleating like a bitch because
people won't do it your way. You stop dictating and forcing your views on
others and this will all go away. It's within your power. The fact that
you cannot let it go and have to invent silly arguments to support
yourself is testament to the madness that engulfs you.
You realise that killfiling is the ultimate capitulation, don't you? It's
the cyber equivilent of running away with your hands over your ears
yelling, "Lalalalala!"
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Since the whole point of writing something is for other people to read,
understand and possibly respond to, one must write in a manner and style
that the intended audience can understand. Sadly in these self obsessed time
it's the "I'll do it my way" attitude of the writer which prevails, hence
communication suffers. |
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 5:00 pm Post subject: Re: TOP POSTING |
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mattic wrote:
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"NM" <never.opened@all.com> wrote in message
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mattic wrote:
"NM" <never.opened@all.com> wrote in message
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mattic wrote:
"NM" <never.opened@all.com> wrote in message
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mattic wrote:
"NM" <never.opened@all.com> wrote in message
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This is not co-operation or interaction, it is dictation. The
top-posters say, "You WILL do it my way!"
I prefer top-posting but will not force my view on anyone and will
post
appropriately depending on how the thread is progressing. Sometimes
top, sometimes bottom, sometimes interlaced. You do it howsoever
you
desire.
Well I hope it works for you, AFAIC I've already skipped several of
your
posts in another thread and shall continue to do so, as I suspect
will
many others.
Like I said, your loss. It is you who are lesser educated for it.
The purpose is to communicate, you choose to communicate differently
(you
may as well speak a different language whilst in the UK it would be
just
as logical).
No, it is not. You really must snap out of this. You analogy is crap.
Somehow I doubt if missing any pearls of your imparted wisdom will
make a
significant hole in my education
Not significant, no, I'm sure you won't die from it.
if you need to be out of step then it's likely your views are equally
eccentric.
I have no need to be out of step at all. I'm not advocating top
posting. I
merely state that I prefer it. But I have no problems with how anyone
posts. It's you
that has the problem and it's leading you to illogical intransigence.
Of course how silly of me not to realise, your choice not to follow
convention is MY fault?
Gosh, you really are bad at following a logical argument, aren't you?!
It's not your fault I won't follow. But it is very much your fault that
you continue to whine (futilely) about it. You have a thought stuck in
your mind and then you try to invent (il)logic to justify it. It's just
plain silly.
That's you, Firth and jf, all making twats of yourselves by stating that
the position on a page renders comments irrelevant. Tell me, if I cut and
paste your comments at the top of the page, will they suddenly become
worthless? That's what your saying. Silly.
Bye Bye, Life's too short for your crap, your bed, you lie in it.
My crap? My bed? I have neither. I'm advocating tolerance and letting people
please themselves without having to be subject to the abuse and derision of
people like you. YOU'RE the one bleating like a bitch because people won't
do it your way. You stop dictating and forcing your views on others and this
will all go away. It's within your power. The fact that you cannot let it go
and have to invent silly arguments to support yourself is testament to the
madness that engulfs you.
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No where in this thread have I given you any abuse or demanded you do
anything other than your way, all I have done is point out the pitfalls
of your decision.
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You realise that killfiling is the ultimate capitulation, don't you? It's
the cyber equivilent of running away with your hands over your ears yelling,
"Lalalalala!"
But I'm not killfiling you, I will read your posts if they are presented |
in the correct form, I'm just not prepared to argue this any longer,
it's futile. You post the way you choose, I'll read posts complying with
the ettiquette of this group, end of story. |
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 5:24 pm Post subject: Re: TOP POSTING |
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"mattic" <this@wontwork.com> wrote:
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"NM" <never.opened@all.com> wrote in message
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mattic wrote:
"NM" <never.opened@all.com> wrote in message
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mattic wrote:
What DOESN'T make sense, however, it having to read through everything
you've already read in order to get to the single line that's new.
But, you do what you like. Be sure to extend me the same courtesy.
I bottom post because it's the convention and is regarded as manners,
you want to play a different game then don't be surprised if your
contributions are ignored.
I don't mind being ignored, it's very much the loss of those prepared to
irrationally and illogically ignore a comment simply because it is
top-posted, rather than any particular bore for me.
But it isn't irrational or illogical, the rationality is that's the
ettiquette and it's logical everyone in the same game plays by the same
rules, you want to swim against the tide, your choice, all I'm pointing
out it could lead to your overall loss.
You miss the point. It is irrational and illogical to dismiss a comment
based simply on its position on the page.
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It's not so much "dismiss the comment" as "dismiss the *commenter*"...
It's experience-based pragmatism... In general, those who ignore the
accepted etiquette in a particular newsgroup, and continue so to do
after being reminded of the fact, for some reason rarely say anything
worth reading. As to whether it's a generational or intelligence
problem I don't know. But it's the same in all the groups that I read. |
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 11:35 pm Post subject: Re: TOP POSTING |
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indeed
"mattic" <this@wontwork.com> wrote in message
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Well, precisely.
"Neil - Usenet" <usenet1@SPAMblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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o dear
"mattic" <this@wontwork.com> wrote in message
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Now, if each of those lines were posted by different people (as would
actually happen, given that your example is a question and answer one),
then CHRONOLOGICALLY they would have followed the normal course of a
canversation. I would have read then, as they arrived, only having the
read the top-most post and would have understood it perfectly.
How about I take your oh-so-witty (yet strangely idiotic, once analysed)
example and take it to its extreme logical conclusion for BOTTOM
POSTING:
PERSON A SAYS:
Q: What is the biggest sign of cluelessness on Usenet?
PERSON B SAYS:
Q: What is the biggest sign of cluelessness on Usenet?
A: Top-posting
PERSON A SAYS:
Q: What is the biggest sign of cluelessness on Usenet?
A: Top-posting
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
PERSON B SAYS:
Q: What is the biggest sign of cluelessness on Usenet?
A: Top-posting
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text
How is that better?
"Roadhog" <muttleycruise@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the biggest sign of cluelessness on Usenet?
--
Roadhog
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 9:04 am Post subject: Re: TOP POSTING |
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Except for cigars.
"'Mike'" <3d&6d@woolies.com> wrote in message
news:dqOdnYq1AbyLGqHbnZ2dnUVZ8qeknZ2d@bt.com...
Why do people get so irate over top posting?
Aren't there more important things in life? Such as calling for a total
ban on smoking for example?
Kind regards
Mike
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 9:06 am Post subject: Re: Top Posting |
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"Bev" <bev@youllhavetoask.con> wrote in message
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Tommy warbled...
Phil Aypee wrote:
Having to wade through a load of quoted guff to read a few words of
apparent nonsense is bad posting. At least if the nonsense is at the
top I can skip it quicker than if it's at the bottom!
Take care,
Phil.
Whoah there - Common Sense alert
This is not allowed here  )
Hmmm...
So if it's not immediately obvious what the response is about, then it
is common sense to have to scroll down to read the context, then scroll
back up to read the answer with the context and back up further to post
a reply?
Some posters to this thread would have us believe that this wouldn't
happen because assuming you're following the threads correctly, you'd
have just read the previous post. What nonsense! Don't these people
return to newsgroup postings after periods of time doing other things?
Yes, and amazingly enough, I manage to work it out with no more than a
second's thought. Are you saying that bottom posters like it that way
because they aren't mentally agile enough to work that out? It would
certainly explain the uproar.
But, no, I think this, like many of the actions of the so-called net-cops,
is simply a bunch of old folks, with no real power in their ordinary
lives, clinging on to an old guideline that allows them to, annonymously,
play the righteous indignation card as hard as they like.
Bit sad really.
Post how you like, I'll work it out.
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