Auto Insurance Auto Insurance    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Gas Guzzlers Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4          Auto Insurance Forum Index -> 4x4 View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Ian Rawlings Guest Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 7:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzlers On 2007-03-21, Stephen Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote: Quote: No, there wasn't. You self seleced for being unable to evaluate scientific evidence. I pointed out why I can and do exactly that. All the evidence you reckoned. Anyway, this is as dull as ditchwater. -- Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Brian Reay Guest Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 12:03 am    Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzlers Thankfully, my 4x4 doesn't fall into the new "high band" but I can see a time when old Gordon's successor will get greedy again. So, I was thinking on ways to avoid this tax and wondered if it was practical to register your car aboard (in the EU) and use it here all the time- with the number plate of the "host" country? You'd still need UK insurance but would probably not need an annual MOT (although your car would have to be road worthy etc.) Thoughts? Brian Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Ian Rawlings Guest Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 12:20 am    Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzlers On 2007-03-21, Brian Reay <see@website.invalid> wrote: Quote: Thoughts? It would have to be *really* worth it to try and wriggle that hard, and a few hundred a year isn't going to be worth the hassle unless you're really up against the wall, and if you were you'd be better off getting a less expensive car anyway. -- Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Stephen Firth Guest Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 12:42 am    Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzlers Brian Reay <see@website.invalid> wrote: Quote: Thankfully, my 4x4 doesn't fall into the new "high band" but I can see a time when old Gordon's successor will get greedy again. So, I was thinking on ways to avoid this tax and wondered if it was practical to register your car aboard (in the EU) and use it here all the time- with the number plate of the "host" country? You'd still need UK insurance but would probably not need an annual MOT (although your car would have to be road worthy etc.) Thoughts? Most EU countries charge more than £400 pa in car tax for cars with engines over 2 litres. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Brian Reay Guest Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 12:43 am    Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzlers "Ian Rawlings" <news06@tarcus.org.uk> wrote in message news:slrnf034s7.spu.news06@desktop.tarcus.org.uk... Quote: On 2007-03-21, Brian Reay <see@website.invalid> wrote: Thoughts? It would have to be *really* worth it to try and wriggle that hard, and a few hundred a year isn't going to be worth the hassle unless you're really up against the wall, and if you were you'd be better off getting a less expensive car anyway. The money isn't the issue I really just object to the swinging tax. We often "stock up" on wine etc. on day trips to France and half the fun is denying Gordon of his cut! Brian Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Ian Rawlings Guest Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 12:54 am    Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzlers On 2007-03-21, Brian Reay <see@website.invalid> wrote: Quote: The money isn't the issue I really just object to the swinging tax. He's put a tax on swinging? The man's a prude! There'll be a dogging tax next. Or a license. -- Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Huw Guest Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzlers Ian Rawlings wrote: Quote: At last you have hit the nail on the head. Nobody yet knows. That's a nail I've been hitting for some time now... Why spend huge amounts of cost to mitigate something that cannot be avoided? All the cost that everyone is being forced to bear, especially in the UK who seem to be taking a lead in this, is possibly wasted when a lesser effort could save millions of lives by, for instance, eradicating or vaccinating against malaria. You may say "but what if they are right"? They could well be proven to be right in the long term but you have to ask whether the costly measures proposed and starting to be acted on will be effective to any effective degree. Indeed whether anything we can do will make a jot of difference. But most of all you have to ask whether any action or cost is justified until there is real certainty of both the cause and of the result of any counter action. If a counter action is not effective or not cost effective then it is plainly not worth doing in the same way that if someone got a bandwagon going that gained popular support claiming that the moon was made of green cheese. I would certainly not think the expense of preparing and instigating a green cheese harvesting operation could be justified unless the operation could be proven to harvest adequate green cheese and be cost effective compared to making green cheese domestically. A poor comparison perhaps, but the 'precautionary principle' is just as inadequate and discredited as a reason for doing things. Huw Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Ian Rawlings Guest Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzlers On 2007-03-26, Huw <hedydd> wrote: Quote: Why spend huge amounts of cost to mitigate something that cannot be avoided? That's like saying "if I'm going to spend £20 more than I earned this month, then I might as well splurge out £1,000 on a new toy, after all I'm going to make a loss this month anyway"... Quote: All the cost that everyone is being forced to bear, especially in the UK who seem to be taking a lead in this, is possibly wasted when a lesser effort could save millions of lives by, for instance, eradicating or vaccinating against malaria. They've been trying quite hard to eradicate malaria for a long time, their latest wheeze is to breed GM mosquitos that can't harbour the parasite. The worrying thing about this is that apparently while the GM mosquitos are weaker than the non-GM ones, the malaria parasite weakens the non-GM ones so that they become weaker than the GM ones so the GM ones out-breed the non-GM ones. The net effect of this will be to have a whole shitload of stronger mosqitoes, free to find a new disease to spread.. I hope they know what they are doing! Quote: You may say "but what if they are right"? They could well be proven to be right in the long term but you have to ask whether the costly measures proposed and starting to be acted on will be effective to any effective degree. Indeed whether anything we can do will make a jot of difference. Appropriate measures should be taken just in case, but unfortunately that doesn't seem to be what's being taken! Quote: A poor comparison perhaps, but the 'precautionary principle' is just as inadequate and discredited as a reason for doing things. No it's not, it's only discredited because politicians and pressure groups use it to latch their pet hates onto. We all take precautionary measures on a regular basis to guard against an outcome we don't want that seems likely. This is no different, it's just that as usual every loony in the bin is jumping up and down demanding attention, obscuring the most realistic estimates and demanding inappropriate action. -- Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Huw Guest Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:42 am    Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzlers Ian Rawlings wrote: Quote: On 2007-03-26, Huw <hedydd> wrote: We all take precautionary measures on a regular basis to guard against an outcome we don't want that seems likely. This is no different, it's just that as usual every loony in the bin is jumping up and down demanding attention, obscuring the most realistic estimates and demanding inappropriate action. The major difference in this case is that it is not known whether warming is caused by CO2 emmissions, only conjecture whatever they would like you to think. Even if it eventually proved to be so, it is certain that the current proposed targets for the UK and the Western World will not make the slightest difference to warming in any way shape or form. Any decrease in Western emmisions will be dwarfed by huge growth in Asia. If todays existing emissions have the serious implications and real demonstrable linked effect [with warming climate] which some claim then we are all already doomed. I will make a prediction that barring war or pandemic, we [humans] will still be here bleating about the weather in another hundred years. We will worry about the weather until something more important and immediate worries us and after that, when our cosy life is restored, we will revert to our weather obsession and worry just a bit more. That is human nature. Huw Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Ian Rawlings Guest Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:18 am    Post subject: Re: Gas Guzzlers On 2007-03-26, Huw <hedydd> wrote: Quote: I will make a prediction that barring war or pandemic, we [humans] will still be here bleating about the weather in another hundred years. Oh so do I, for two reasons, first, no-one's predicting the demise of the human race, just a change in our environment that might at the worst screw up our current way of life to a degree, e.g. some parts of the world becoming less fertile, disease hotspots moving around, some areas underwater. Second, the world's too big and people are too versatile and numerous for it to be likely that anything other than a major global pant-filling catastrophe of hollwyood proportions will come close to scrubbing us off the face of the world. And none of this is likely to happen until I'm totally and completely dead, so heigh-ho ;-) -- Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! 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