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Ian
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 Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:52 pm Post subject: Vinyl roof supplier |
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A pal of mine has a Daimler Dart (SP250) with a rather scruffy hard
top. He's been wondering what to do with it, and is now thinking of a
vinyl covering. OK, it's dangerously reminiscent of spivvy Mark 2 Jags
of the 60's and crappy Hillmans from the 70's, but in this case I
agree with him - I think it could look rather good, and certainly
rather better than a plain painted hard top.
A local restorer can happily fit one - he's done it before - but would
need the tailored fabric. Oops. Where would one get a tailored vinyl
roof for a Dart (factory) hardtop? Anyone know?
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Adrian
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:15 am Post subject: Re: Vinyl roof supplier |
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Ian <ian.groups@btinternet.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they
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A local restorer can happily fit one - he's done it before - but would
need the tailored fabric. Oops. Where would one get a tailored vinyl
roof for a Dart (factory) hardtop? Anyone know?
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I'd be amazed if you could. It'd almost certainly be easier, quicker and
probably cheaper to find a trimmer that could cut the vinyl to size/shape. |
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Dave Plowman (News)
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:06 am Post subject: Re: Vinyl roof supplier |
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In article
<9d721b2c-9532-4f88-a232-b410f71feae7@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
Ian <ian.groups@btinternet.com> wrote:
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A pal of mine has a Daimler Dart (SP250) with a rather scruffy hard
top. He's been wondering what to do with it, and is now thinking of a
vinyl covering. OK, it's dangerously reminiscent of spivvy Mark 2 Jags
of the 60's and crappy Hillmans from the 70's, but in this case I
agree with him - I think it could look rather good, and certainly
rather better than a plain painted hard top.
A local restorer can happily fit one - he's done it before - but would
need the tailored fabric. Oops. Where would one get a tailored vinyl
roof for a Dart (factory) hardtop? Anyone know?
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Since it wasn't a factory option I'd be amazed if anyone offered a kit on
such a rare car. However, a proper coach trimmer should be able to make
one off the roll.
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*If a mute swears, does his mother wash his hands with soap?
Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Dean Dark
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:15 am Post subject: Re: Vinyl roof supplier |
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On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 00:06:07 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
<dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
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In article
9d721b2c-9532-4f88-a232-b410f71feae7@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
Ian <ian.groups@btinternet.com> wrote:
A pal of mine has a Daimler Dart (SP250) with a rather scruffy hard
top. He's been wondering what to do with it, and is now thinking of a
vinyl covering. OK, it's dangerously reminiscent of spivvy Mark 2 Jags
of the 60's and crappy Hillmans from the 70's, but in this case I
agree with him - I think it could look rather good, and certainly
rather better than a plain painted hard top.
A local restorer can happily fit one - he's done it before - but would
need the tailored fabric. Oops. Where would one get a tailored vinyl
roof for a Dart (factory) hardtop? Anyone know?
Since it wasn't a factory option I'd be amazed if anyone offered a kit on
such a rare car. However, a proper coach trimmer should be able to make
one off the roll.
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Why not spend the money doing a proper fettle of the hardtop? Unless
one truly wants a 70s vinyl top on a Dart, that is. Am I missing
something? |
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Pete M
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:51 am Post subject: Re: Vinyl roof supplier |
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Dean Dark wrote:
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On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 00:06:07 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
In article
9d721b2c-9532-4f88-a232-b410f71feae7@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
Ian <ian.groups@btinternet.com> wrote:
A pal of mine has a Daimler Dart (SP250) with a rather scruffy hard
top. He's been wondering what to do with it, and is now thinking of a
vinyl covering. OK, it's dangerously reminiscent of spivvy Mark 2 Jags
of the 60's and crappy Hillmans from the 70's, but in this case I
agree with him - I think it could look rather good, and certainly
rather better than a plain painted hard top.
A local restorer can happily fit one - he's done it before - but would
need the tailored fabric. Oops. Where would one get a tailored vinyl
roof for a Dart (factory) hardtop? Anyone know?
Since it wasn't a factory option I'd be amazed if anyone offered a kit on
such a rare car. However, a proper coach trimmer should be able to make
one off the roll.
Why not spend the money doing a proper fettle of the hardtop? Unless
one truly wants a 70s vinyl top on a Dart, that is. Am I missing
something?
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AOL.
A vinyl hard top is so Liberace I actually want this guy to do it, so I
can point and laugh.
Having spent a good 20 minutes earlier on pointing out some hard truths
to fans of the Austin Princess, I could really do with seeing a pic of a
Daimler Dart with a vinyl covered hard top.
*Please* do it, but make sure we get to see pictures.
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Pete M - OMF#9
BMW 325i SE Touring
Range Rover V8 Turbo
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Ian
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:54 am Post subject: Re: Vinyl roof supplier |
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On 6 Jul, 20:15, Adrian <toomany2...@gmail.com> wrote:
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Ian <ian.gro...@btinternet.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:
A local restorer can happily fit one - he's done it before - but would
need the tailored fabric. Oops. Where would one get a tailored vinyl
roof for a Dart (factory) hardtop? Anyone know?
I'd be amazed if you could. It'd almost certainly be easier, quicker and
probably cheaper to find a trimmer that could cut the vinyl to size/shape.
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Cutting the vinyl to shape or size is trivial. But apparently they
also need seams and stitching and stuff when they have to go round
very compound curves.
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Ian
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:55 am Post subject: Re: Vinyl roof supplier |
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On 7 Jul, 01:15, Dean Dark <ddr...@comcast.notthis.net> wrote:
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On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 00:06:07 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
d...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
In article
9d721b2c-9532-4f88-a232-b410f71fe...@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
Ian <ian.gro...@btinternet.com> wrote:
A pal of mine has a Daimler Dart (SP250) with a rather scruffy hard
top. He's been wondering what to do with it, and is now thinking of a
vinyl covering. OK, it's dangerously reminiscent of spivvy Mark 2 Jags
of the 60's and crappy Hillmans from the 70's, but in this case I
agree with him - I think it could look rather good, and certainly
rather better than a plain painted hard top.
A local restorer can happily fit one - he's done it before - but would
need the tailored fabric. Oops. Where would one get a tailored vinyl
roof for a Dart (factory) hardtop? Anyone know?
Since it wasn't a factory option I'd be amazed if anyone offered a kit on
such a rare car. However, a proper coach trimmer should be able to make
one off the roll.
Why not spend the money doing a proper fettle of the hardtop? Unless
one truly wants a 70s vinyl top on a Dart, that is. Am I missing
something?
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That is also a possibility under consideration. It's not just a 70s
thing, though - thing of Riley RM roofs.
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Ian
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:58 am Post subject: Re: Vinyl roof supplier |
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On 7 Jul, 02:51, Pete M <pete.mur...@SPAMFREEblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
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A vinyl hard top is so Liberace I actually want this guy to do it, so I
can point and laugh.
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The whole bloody Dart is Liberace in the extreme.
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Having spent a good 20 minutes earlier on pointing out some hard truths
to fans of the Austin Princess, I could really do with seeing a pic of a
Daimler Dart with a vinyl covered hard top.
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I think that it could look quite good, if properly done. My Herald
hardtop has a vinyl-y sort of effect moulded in (Honeybourne
mouldings) and looks quite respectable.
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And you are criticising others for being brash, flash, tacky and
tasteless?
Love,
Ian |
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Ian
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:42 am Post subject: Re: Vinyl roof supplier |
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On 7 Jul, 01:15, Dean Dark <ddr...@comcast.notthis.net> wrote:
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Why not spend the money doing a proper fettle of the hardtop?
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Fuller answer. It might be a lot of time and money, and not much of a
fettle at the end of it. It's a fibreglass hardtop, and suffers from
(a) cracking of the gel coat and (b) quite serious rippling of the top
- which is probably why the gel coat has cracked.
(a) could be tackled by a full gel strip and rebuild, but that
wouldn't do anything for (b), and although some additional stiffening
inside might help, I suspect that this particular hardtop will never
be great. In particular, it will never look great in anything gloss.
So one plan is to look around for a better hardtop and, in the
meantime, vinyl this one. It's only one possibility, and if we can
find someone who can make up the vinyl there will be a stage of
draping and pinning the material to the fibreglass and assessing how
it looks.
Harry Enfield style lectures on "You don't want to do it like that,
you want to do it like this" are therefore not particularly useful -
though I realise they are very traditional on u.r.c.c!
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Ian
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:11 am Post subject: Re: Vinyl roof supplier |
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On 7 Jul, 10:22, "Dave Plowman (News)" <d...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
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In article
e1e772bb-2290-4ae4-932f-5f53a38fd...@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
Ian <ian.gro...@btinternet.com> wrote:
I'd be amazed if you could. It'd almost certainly be easier, quicker
and probably cheaper to find a trimmer that could cut the vinyl to
size/shape.
Cutting the vinyl to shape or size is trivial. But apparently they
also need seams and stitching and stuff when they have to go round
very compound curves.
Which is what a proper coach trimmer does. Like with seats...
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OK, thanks. I have coincidentally just heard of an excellent coach
trimmer who does classic stuff from a tiny place in my nearest town,
so I shall mosey across and ask him.
Ian |
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Ian
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:12 am Post subject: Re: Vinyl roof supplier |
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On 7 Jul, 10:51, Pete M <pete.mur...@SPAMFREEblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
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An E30 and a Range Rover "Classic". Yeah, right I am :-p
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Double hedgehog!
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Ian
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:14 am Post subject: Re: Vinyl roof supplier |
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On 7 Jul, 10:24, "Dave Plowman (News)" <d...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
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In article
2262f35b-a18a-4872-bb4f-e98fb2f29...@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
Ian <ian.gro...@btinternet.com> wrote:
Why not spend the money doing a proper fettle of the hardtop?
Fuller answer. It might be a lot of time and money, and not much of a
fettle at the end of it. It's a fibreglass hardtop, and suffers from
(a) cracking of the gel coat and (b) quite serious rippling of the top
- which is probably why the gel coat has cracked.
Sounds like just spraying with suitable paint will look like vinyl...;-)
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I have learned while researching this that here were spray on vinyls
available for this - the restorer chap used them in the distant past.
But he thinks they are no longer available - the solvents were
apparently pretty potent ...
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Ian
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:18 am Post subject: Re: Vinyl roof supplier |
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On 7 Jul, 11:32, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
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Ian <ian.gro...@btinternet.com> wrote:
A local restorer can happily fit one - he's done it before - but would
need the tailored fabric.
He can't be a very good restorer. When my wife's 1275GT Mini was
vandalised at a railway station, the local vehicle restorer replaced all
of the roof vinyl and retrimmed the Websasto sunroof, using off-the-roll
vinyl cloth for the job. What he bodged was putting the rear window back
and I had to get a glass fitter to do the job properly.
Maybe your pal should look for someone else to do the work?
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He's a bloody good restorer - one of the best I have met. First time I
went round he had three E-Types in for full body jobs, and people
don't give 'em to just anyone.
That aside, I think you may misunderstand. Replacing a sunroof is
fairly trivial: it's a flat bit of hood material which has to be
folder over and stuck down. I'm talking about a full vinyl covering
for the hard top, which means going round some b-i-g compound curves.
Hence the need for initial tailoring, and just as body guys don't
generally make interior trim, so they don't generally tailor roofs. I
might ask him to fit a hood, but I wouldn't expect him to make one ...
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:40 pm Post subject: Re: Vinyl roof supplier |
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On 7 Jul, 12:32, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
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Ian <ian.gro...@btinternet.com> wrote:
I'm talking about a full vinyl covering
for the hard top, which means going round some b-i-g compound curves.
"the local vehicle restorer replaced all of the roof vinyl" is the bit
that you missed.
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Whoops. I wonder how the size and profile of that compares to the
Dart, though. I suspect it doesn't have nearly as big compound curved
sections.
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Hence the need for initial tailoring, and just as body guys don't
generally make interior trim, so they don't generally tailor roofs. I
might ask him to fit a hood, but I wouldn't expect him to make one ...
Go somewhere that can do the job then.
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Why? If we can find someone who can make the roof and someone local
who can fit it?
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Ian
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:42 pm Post subject: Re: Vinyl roof supplier |
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On 7 Jul, 14:09, "Dave Plowman (News)" <d...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
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In article
74894fbc-cd24-4fe1-923a-39f617fa4...@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>,
Ian <ian.gro...@btinternet.com> wrote:
Maybe your pal should look for someone else to do the work?
He's a bloody good restorer - one of the best I have met. First time I
went round he had three E-Types in for full body jobs, and people
don't give 'em to just anyone.
Body jobs? The skills required to restore bodywork ain't the same as those
for coach trimming - and I'd be surprised to find an expert in both.
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That's my point precisely. He can fit vinyl roofs - on a related note,
I have seen an RM roof he did, beautifully - but he doesn't make them.
Which is why we're looking for someone who can make them and ...
<buries head in hands> ...
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