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Dave Plowman (News)
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 Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: Vinyl roof supplier |
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Ian <ian.groups@btinternet.com> wrote:
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I'd be amazed if you could. It'd almost certainly be easier, quicker
and probably cheaper to find a trimmer that could cut the vinyl to
size/shape.
Cutting the vinyl to shape or size is trivial. But apparently they
also need seams and stitching and stuff when they have to go round
very compound curves.
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Which is what a proper coach trimmer does. Like with seats...
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Dave Plowman (News)
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:24 pm Post subject: Re: Vinyl roof supplier |
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Ian <ian.groups@btinternet.com> wrote:
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Why not spend the money doing a proper fettle of the hardtop?
Fuller answer. It might be a lot of time and money, and not much of a
fettle at the end of it. It's a fibreglass hardtop, and suffers from
(a) cracking of the gel coat and (b) quite serious rippling of the top
- which is probably why the gel coat has cracked.
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Sounds like just spraying with suitable paint will look like vinyl...;-)
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Ian
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:37 pm Post subject: Re: Vinyl roof supplier |
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On 7 Jul, 15:12, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
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Ian <ian.gro...@btinternet.com> wrote:
Go somewhere that can do the job then.
Why? If we can find someone who can make the roof and someone local
who can fit it?
Errm because it makes sense to go to someone who can do the job rather
than someone who obviously can't. Do you pop around to the cobblers to
get them to put stick-a-soles over the tyres when they get a bit low?
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I'll tactfully assume that you're just being contentious for the sake
of it here. Well, each to his own.
But in case anyone is wondering: the man in questions is perfectly
capable of fitting a vinyl roof. He just doesn't make them, but that's
not a particularly big problem if it's possible to get them from
somebody else. Which is why I was asking the question. If the only way
of getting one fitted is to go to another company then of course that
option will be considered.
As a matter of interest, can I presume that you would only ever go to
a body shop which pressed their own panels, or an engine rebuilders
who cast their own pistons?
Hugs and kisses,
Ian |
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Ian
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:38 pm Post subject: Re: Vinyl roof supplier |
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On 7 Jul, 15:12, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
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Ian <ian.gro...@btinternet.com> wrote:
Go somewhere that can do the job then.
Why? If we can find someone who can make the roof and someone local
who can fit it?
Errm because it makes sense to go to someone who can do the job rather
than someone who obviously can't. Do you pop around to the cobblers to
get them to put stick-a-soles over the tyres when they get a bit low?
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PS Forgot to mention. My local tyre fitters BUY THE TYRES IN!
Horrors!
Ian
PPS Though the last tyres I bought for the 2CV were fitted to the
wheels by Michelin! |
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Pete M
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:51 pm Post subject: Re: Vinyl roof supplier |
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Ian wrote:
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On 7 Jul, 02:51, Pete M <pete.mur...@SPAMFREEblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
A vinyl hard top is so Liberace I actually want this guy to do it, so I
can point and laugh.
The whole bloody Dart is Liberace in the extreme.
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Yup.
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Having spent a good 20 minutes earlier on pointing out some hard truths
to fans of the Austin Princess, I could really do with seeing a pic of a
Daimler Dart with a vinyl covered hard top.
I think that it could look quite good, if properly done. My Herald
hardtop has a vinyl-y sort of effect moulded in (Honeybourne
mouldings) and looks quite respectable.
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Um... maybe...
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BMW 325i SE Touring
Range Rover V8 Turbo
And you are criticising others for being brash, flash, tacky and
tasteless?
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An E30 and a Range Rover "Classic". Yeah, right I am :-p
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Steve Firth
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:32 pm Post subject: Re: Vinyl roof supplier |
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Ian <ian.groups@btinternet.com> wrote:
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A local restorer can happily fit one - he's done it before - but would
need the tailored fabric.
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He can't be a very good restorer. When my wife's 1275GT Mini was
vandalised at a railway station, the local vehicle restorer replaced all
of the roof vinyl and retrimmed the Websasto sunroof, using off-the-roll
vinyl cloth for the job. What he bodged was putting the rear window back
and I had to get a glass fitter to do the job properly.
Maybe your pal should look for someone else to do the work? |
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Steve Firth
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:32 pm Post subject: Re: Vinyl roof supplier |
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Ian <ian.groups@btinternet.com> wrote:
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On 7 Jul, 11:32, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
Ian <ian.gro...@btinternet.com> wrote:
A local restorer can happily fit one - he's done it before - but would
need the tailored fabric.
He can't be a very good restorer. When my wife's 1275GT Mini was
vandalised at a railway station, the local vehicle restorer replaced all
of the roof vinyl and retrimmed the Websasto sunroof, using off-the-roll
vinyl cloth for the job. What he bodged was putting the rear window back
and I had to get a glass fitter to do the job properly.
Maybe your pal should look for someone else to do the work?
He's a bloody good restorer - one of the best I have met. First time I
went round he had three E-Types in for full body jobs, and people
don't give 'em to just anyone.
That aside, I think you may misunderstand.
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No, I think you misunderstand.
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Replacing a sunroof is
fairly trivial: it's a flat bit of hood material which has to be
folder over and stuck down.
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Uh huh, I know.
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I'm talking about a full vinyl covering
for the hard top, which means going round some b-i-g compound curves.
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"the local vehicle restorer replaced all of the roof vinyl" is the bit
that you missed.
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Hence the need for initial tailoring, and just as body guys don't
generally make interior trim, so they don't generally tailor roofs. I
might ask him to fit a hood, but I wouldn't expect him to make one ...
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Go somewhere that can do the job then. |
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Ian
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:58 pm Post subject: Re: Vinyl roof supplier |
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On 7 Jul, 15:47, Adrian <toomany2...@gmail.com> wrote:
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Ian <ian.gro...@btinternet.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:
As a matter of interest, can I presume that you would only ever go to a
body shop which pressed their own panels, or an engine rebuilders who
cast their own pistons?
If the parts weren't available, yes, I would expect the same person who
was going to make 'em to fit 'em.
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And if the parts were available ... ?
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There's no way bespoke trim is going to
fit correctly without some kind of pattern (such as the actual top)...
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As far as I am aware, the Coventry Hood Company does not fit hoods.
Does that mean I should not use one made by them?
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Ian
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:59 pm Post subject: Re: Vinyl roof supplier |
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On 7 Jul, 16:53, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
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Ian <ian.gro...@btinternet.com> wrote:
As a matter of interest, can I presume that you would only ever go to a
body shop which pressed their own panels,
Depending on the car, yes although not pressed, wheeled.
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Hmm. Interesting. You'll hate me even more for having a NOS rear door
fitted to the DS last year then ... and not by Citroen!
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Ian
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: Vinyl roof supplier |
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On 7 Jul, 17:36, "Dave Plowman (News)" <d...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
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In article
76fe0f2b-857b-4d5a-bc75-e61e5daf1...@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
Ian <ian.gro...@btinternet.com> wrote:
As a matter of interest, can I presume that you would only ever go to
a body shop which pressed their own panels, or an engine rebuilders
who cast their own pistons?
Certainly not to get a vinyl roof - as you appear to have done. ;-)
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Depends, I think, how much slack the fitting takes out of them.
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Ian
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:02 pm Post subject: Re: Vinyl roof supplier |
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On 7 Jul, 15:48, Adrian <toomany2...@gmail.com> wrote:
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Ian <ian.gro...@btinternet.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they
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PPS Though the last tyres I bought for the 2CV were fitted to the wheels
by Michelin!
Be careful. A friend of mine got some of those from Uncle Roy - the
valves were rotted.
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They've survived a couple of years fine. I was thinking of getting two
more for the back, but they're a hundred quid each now ...
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Ian
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:04 pm Post subject: Re: Vinyl roof supplier |
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On 7 Jul, 17:34, "Dave Plowman (News)" <d...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
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As I said you want a coach trimmer. Look in Practical Classics etc. Or
even Yellow pages. It's not rocket science, stitching vinyl.
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Actually, what I want /at the moment/ is a trimmer who already has a
pattern for a vinyl top for a Dart factory hardtop. If that's
impossible, we'll go on to option B - finding someone who can make one
from scratch. Since that would inevitably involve them having the top,
it would of course then be sensible for them to fit it.
Incidentally, it really is a friend's car, but I'm looking after it
for him at the moment while his garage has some work done.
Ian |
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Dave Plowman (News)
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:09 pm Post subject: Re: Vinyl roof supplier |
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In article
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Ian <ian.groups@btinternet.com> wrote:
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Maybe your pal should look for someone else to do the work?
He's a bloody good restorer - one of the best I have met. First time I
went round he had three E-Types in for full body jobs, and people
don't give 'em to just anyone.
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Body jobs? The skills required to restore bodywork ain't the same as those
for coach trimming - and I'd be surprised to find an expert in both.
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That aside, I think you may misunderstand. Replacing a sunroof is
fairly trivial: it's a flat bit of hood material which has to be
folder over and stuck down. I'm talking about a full vinyl covering
for the hard top, which means going round some b-i-g compound curves.
Hence the need for initial tailoring, and just as body guys don't
generally make interior trim, so they don't generally tailor roofs. I
might ask him to fit a hood, but I wouldn't expect him to make one ...
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Steve Firth
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:12 pm Post subject: Re: Vinyl roof supplier |
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Ian <ian.groups@btinternet.com> wrote:
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Go somewhere that can do the job then.
Why? If we can find someone who can make the roof and someone local
who can fit it?
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Errm because it makes sense to go to someone who can do the job rather
than someone who obviously can't. Do you pop around to the cobblers to
get them to put stick-a-soles over the tyres when they get a bit low? |
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| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:47 pm Post subject: Re: Vinyl roof supplier |
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Ian <ian.groups@btinternet.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:
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As a matter of interest, can I presume that you would only ever go to a
body shop which pressed their own panels, or an engine rebuilders who
cast their own pistons?
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If the parts weren't available, yes, I would expect the same person who
was going to make 'em to fit 'em. There's no way bespoke trim is going to
fit correctly without some kind of pattern (such as the actual top)... |
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