Auto Insurance Auto Insurance    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Rant: Some scrap dealers have no standards Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next          Auto Insurance Forum Index -> Classic Cars View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Christopher Tidy Guest Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:19 pm    Post subject: Rant: Some scrap dealers have no standards Hi folks, I met a guy who claims to be a machinery trader yesterday while I was looking for some JCB parts. I don't believe him, though. I think he's effectively a scrap dealer. He showed me a Mark I JCB 3C which he bought last week for £800. A nice machine which has clearly been looked after. The cab was a bit tatty, but that was the only major problem it had. Ran really well. He says he's going to scrap it so that he can get just over £1000. I feel this is obscenely wasteful. If I was a bit richer, I'd buy the machine to save it, but I already have a rarer Fordson-based 3C, and I can only cope with one battle at a time. He also told me that he'd recently scrapped a JCB 4D. That is tragic, as the 4D is probably the rarest and most impressive JCB ever made. If I had visited when the 4D was in his yard, I don't think I'd have been able to resist buying it. I guess you can blame China to some extent for driving up scrap metal prices (for some light-hearted mockery of China, take a look at this: http://www.dickipedia.org/dick.php?title=China). But the brunt of the blame lies with scrap dealers who take advantage of generous sellers and feel no guilt about scrapping good machines just to make a modest profit. I'm not saying I'm against people making money. I'm just against people making money through unacceptably wasteful and destructive means. It's not just one guy either. There are plenty of these guys out there destroying our industrial heritage. In my view, their behaviour is wholly unacceptable, on a level with that of pimps and loan sharks. It's a pity that there isn't a law which prevents this kind of thing. If anyone in the Shropshire/Cheshire/North Wales area wants a Mark I JCB 3C (or the Nuffield engine, which is a great runner), drop me an e-mail (cdt22 AT cantabgold DOT net) and I'll give you the guy's number. You'll need to be quick, though, as he says he's scrapping it on Monday morning. If there's one lesson we can learn from this, it's that if you can't keep a machine and yet you want to safeguard its future, you should know the scrap value of the machine and make sure that you set your price above it. Best wishes, Chris Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor R D Gravy Guest Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Rant: Some scrap dealers have no standards Yes this is a unhealthy situation,most scrap dealers are only in it for the money and nothing else,at the moment they are riding a wave,this situation can not go on at this rate,why are so many scrap dealers/collectors getting things for next to nothing,most have to only knock on a door and walk away with pounds worth of scrap for nowt. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Roger Guest Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 12:25 am    Post subject: Re: Rant: Some scrap dealers have no standards The message <484AD146.1010901@cantabgold.net> from Christopher Tidy <cdt22NOSPAM@cantabgold.net> contains these words: Quote: If anyone in the Shropshire/Cheshire/North Wales area wants a Mark I JCB 3C (or the Nuffield engine, which is a great runner), drop me an e-mail (cdt22 AT cantabgold DOT net) and I'll give you the guy's number. You'll need to be quick, though, as he says he's scrapping it on Monday morning. Damn. I could make use of a digger at £1000 but getting it to Keighley, West Yorkshire on a low loader would probably cost another £1000. -- Roger Chapman Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Christopher Tidy Guest Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 1:56 am    Post subject: Re: Rant: Some scrap dealers have no standards Roger wrote: Quote: The message <484AD146.1010901@cantabgold.net from Christopher Tidy <cdt22NOSPAM@cantabgold.net> contains these words: If anyone in the Shropshire/Cheshire/North Wales area wants a Mark I JCB 3C (or the Nuffield engine, which is a great runner), drop me an e-mail (cdt22 AT cantabgold DOT net) and I'll give you the guy's number. You'll need to be quick, though, as he says he's scrapping it on Monday morning. Damn. I could make use of a digger at £1000 but getting it to Keighley, West Yorkshire on a low loader would probably cost another £1000. You want the guy's number, Roger? Best wishes, Chris Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Roger Guest Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 2:45 am    Post subject: Re: Rant: Some scrap dealers have no standards The message <484AF604.4040401@cantabgold.net> from Christopher Tidy <cdt22NOSPAM@cantabgold.net> contains these words: Quote: If anyone in the Shropshire/Cheshire/North Wales area wants a Mark I JCB 3C (or the Nuffield engine, which is a great runner), drop me an e-mail (cdt22 AT cantabgold DOT net) and I'll give you the guy's number. You'll need to be quick, though, as he says he's scrapping it on Monday morning. Damn. I could make use of a digger at £1000 but getting it to Keighley, West Yorkshire on a low loader would probably cost another £1000. You want the guy's number, Roger? Thanks but don't tempt me. I think the cost of getting it from the Welsh Border to Yorkshire is likely to be too high and impossible to arrange any transport within the timescale. I wouldn't even know where to start looking for someone to do the transport. -- Roger Chapman Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Conor Guest Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 2:48 am    Post subject: Re: Rant: Some scrap dealers have no standards In article <3130303031313434484AEEC895@nospam.zetnet.co.uk>, Roger says... Quote: The message <484AD146.1010901@cantabgold.net from Christopher Tidy <cdt22NOSPAM@cantabgold.net> contains these words: If anyone in the Shropshire/Cheshire/North Wales area wants a Mark I JCB 3C (or the Nuffield engine, which is a great runner), drop me an e-mail (cdt22 AT cantabgold DOT net) and I'll give you the guy's number. You'll need to be quick, though, as he says he's scrapping it on Monday morning. Damn. I could make use of a digger at £1000 but getting it to Keighley, West Yorkshire on a low loader would probably cost another £1000. Nowhere near £1000. Shropshire to West Yorkshire is £300 or so. -- Conor I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Christopher Tidy Guest Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 3:44 am    Post subject: Re: Rant: Some scrap dealers have no standards Roger wrote: Quote: The message <484AF604.4040401@cantabgold.net from Christopher Tidy <cdt22NOSPAM@cantabgold.net> contains these words: If anyone in the Shropshire/Cheshire/North Wales area wants a Mark I JCB 3C (or the Nuffield engine, which is a great runner), drop me an e-mail (cdt22 AT cantabgold DOT net) and I'll give you the guy's number. You'll need to be quick, though, as he says he's scrapping it on Monday morning. Damn. I could make use of a digger at £1000 but getting it to Keighley, West Yorkshire on a low loader would probably cost another £1000. You want the guy's number, Roger? Thanks but don't tempt me. I think the cost of getting it from the Welsh Border to Yorkshire is likely to be too high and impossible to arrange any transport within the timescale. I wouldn't even know where to start looking for someone to do the transport. I've sent you an e-mail. The guy has a big truck, so I'm sure he could be persuaded to deliver it for the right money. If I can help you any further, let me know. Best wishes, Chris Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Kevin(Bluey) Guest Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 5:21 am    Post subject: Re: Rant: Some scrap dealers have no standards Christopher Tidy wrote: Quote: Hi folks, I met a guy who claims to be a machinery trader yesterday while I was looking for some JCB parts. I don't believe him, though. I think he's effectively a scrap dealer. He showed me a Mark I JCB 3C which he bought last week for £800. A nice machine which has clearly been looked after. The cab was a bit tatty, but that was the only major problem it had. Ran really well. He says he's going to scrap it so that he can get just over £1000. I feel this is obscenely wasteful. snipped Best wishes, Chris I agree , I walked into a local scrap dealers yard two weeks ago and spotted a Parkanson power hacksaw .I have been looking for a power hacksaw for some time. I made enquiries with the owner and he said that he had just got it from an old bloke who just wanted the scrap value . He said that it still operates,and it turned over by hand very easily I paid 70.00AUD for this one. This saw wieghs 500kgs ,it has hydraulic lift for the blade beam and power down feed.The blade frame is on a dovetailed slide with adjustable gibb strip.It will take 3 different blade lenghts . It is avery solidly constructed machine and is of around the 50's vintage .Made in Australia by Theo Park and sons of Melbourne. I have partially stripped it down so I can fix a few small problems and repaint to a colour close to original. It has 2HP three phase motor ,but I will have to find a single phase motor for it as I don't have three phase power. I'm just glad I rescued this before it was broken up ,I feel I have saved a piece of Australian manufacturing history .The Parkanson business was bought out by Capitol Machinery Sales some time ago , they don't make reciprocating saws any longer , but do make the continuous blade bandsaw types. -- Kevin (Bluey) "I'm not young enough to know everything." bluey69@west.net.com.au Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Christopher Tidy Guest Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 5:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Rant: Some scrap dealers have no standards Kevin(Bluey) wrote: <snip> Quote: I agree , I walked into a local scrap dealers yard two weeks ago and spotted a Parkanson power hacksaw .I have been looking for a power hacksaw for some time. I made enquiries with the owner and he said that he had just got it from an old bloke who just wanted the scrap value . He said that it still operates,and it turned over by hand very easily I paid 70.00AUD for this one. This saw wieghs 500kgs ,it has hydraulic lift for the blade beam and power down feed.The blade frame is on a dovetailed slide with adjustable gibb strip.It will take 3 different blade lenghts . It is avery solidly constructed machine and is of around the 50's vintage .Made in Australia by Theo Park and sons of Melbourne. I have partially stripped it down so I can fix a few small problems and repaint to a colour close to original. It has 2HP three phase motor ,but I will have to find a single phase motor for it as I don't have three phase power. I'm just glad I rescued this before it was broken up ,I feel I have saved a piece of Australian manufacturing history .The Parkanson business was bought out by Capitol Machinery Sales some time ago , they don't make reciprocating saws any longer , but do make the continuous blade bandsaw types. I have a power hacksaw too. A Qualters & Smith 8 inch. Sounds very similar to yours. These things last forever, and they cut square too. Personally, I can't see why anyone in a home workshop would want a bandsaw instead. Best wishes, Chris Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Mike G Guest Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 1:21 am    Post subject: Re: Rant: Some scrap dealers have no standards "Christopher Tidy" <cdt22NOSPAM@cantabgold.net> wrote in message news:484BD62B.3080206@cantabgold.net... Quote: Kevin(Bluey) wrote: snip I agree , I walked into a local scrap dealers yard two weeks ago and spotted a Parkanson power hacksaw .I have been looking for a power hacksaw for some time. I made enquiries with the owner and he said that he had just got it from an old bloke who just wanted the scrap value . He said that it still operates,and it turned over by hand very easily I paid 70.00AUD for this one. This saw wieghs 500kgs ,it has hydraulic lift for the blade beam and power down feed.The blade frame is on a dovetailed slide with adjustable gibb strip.It will take 3 different blade lenghts . It is avery solidly constructed machine and is of around the 50's vintage .Made in Australia by Theo Park and sons of Melbourne. I have partially stripped it down so I can fix a few small problems and repaint to a colour close to original. It has 2HP three phase motor ,but I will have to find a single phase motor for it as I don't have three phase power. I'm just glad I rescued this before it was broken up ,I feel I have saved a piece of Australian manufacturing history .The Parkanson business was bought out by Capitol Machinery Sales some time ago , they don't make reciprocating saws any longer , but do make the continuous blade bandsaw types. I have a power hacksaw too. A Qualters & Smith 8 inch. Sounds very similar to yours. These things last forever, and they cut square too. Personally, I can't see why anyone in a home workshop would want a bandsaw instead. I can. Basically because they are faster than reciprocating p/saws. Whilst that is not usually important for a home w/s, it's the main reason for their decline in popularity in commercial w/shops. They can also be more versatile, smaller ones capable of being converting to jig saws when required. Although many hacksaws are still in use, when the time comes, they are frequently replaced with bandsaws, which is why hacksaws can be picked up quite cheaply in the s/h market. I work in a small commercial toolroom. Some years ago I threw out an old Q&S hacksaw, in favour of a cheap 4" bandsaw, which could also be used vertically for profile cutting etc. The hacksaw was just too clumsy for cutting thinner sections, which the bandsaw handles with ease. Mike. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Christopher Tidy Guest Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 2:30 am    Post subject: Re: Rant: Some scrap dealers have no standards Mike G wrote: Quote: I have a power hacksaw too. A Qualters & Smith 8 inch. Sounds very similar to yours. These things last forever, and they cut square too. Personally, I can't see why anyone in a home workshop would want a bandsaw instead. I can. Basically because they are faster than reciprocating p/saws. Whilst that is not usually important for a home w/s, it's the main reason for their decline in popularity in commercial w/shops. They can also be more versatile, smaller ones capable of being converting to jig saws when required. Although many hacksaws are still in use, when the time comes, they are frequently replaced with bandsaws, which is why hacksaws can be picked up quite cheaply in the s/h market. I work in a small commercial toolroom. Some years ago I threw out an old Q&S hacksaw, in favour of a cheap 4" bandsaw, which could also be used vertically for profile cutting etc. The hacksaw was just too clumsy for cutting thinner sections, which the bandsaw handles with ease. I don't cut much in the way of thin sections. I guess that's why I hadn't noticed. You can cut down to about 3 mm wall thickness on my Q & S hacksaw, using a 14 TPI blade. But my experience is that even well-maintained bandsaws don't cut as square as a power hacksaw, and I just find that an annoyance. Best wishes, Chris Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Mike G Guest Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:50 am    Post subject: Re: Rant: Some scrap dealers have no standards "Christopher Tidy" <cdt22NOSPAM@cantabgold.net> wrote in message news:484C4F62.6030101@cantabgold.net... Quote: Mike G wrote: I have a power hacksaw too. A Qualters & Smith 8 inch. Sounds very similar to yours. These things last forever, and they cut square too. Personally, I can't see why anyone in a home workshop would want a bandsaw instead. I can. Basically because they are faster than reciprocating p/saws. Whilst that is not usually important for a home w/s, it's the main reason for their decline in popularity in commercial w/shops. They can also be more versatile, smaller ones capable of being converting to jig saws when required. Although many hacksaws are still in use, when the time comes, they are frequently replaced with bandsaws, which is why hacksaws can be picked up quite cheaply in the s/h market. I work in a small commercial toolroom. Some years ago I threw out an old Q&S hacksaw, in favour of a cheap 4" bandsaw, which could also be used vertically for profile cutting etc. The hacksaw was just too clumsy for cutting thinner sections, which the bandsaw handles with ease. I don't cut much in the way of thin sections. I guess that's why I hadn't noticed. You can cut down to about 3 mm wall thickness on my Q & S hacksaw, using a 14 TPI blade. But my experience is that even well-maintained bandsaws don't cut as square as a power hacksaw, and I just find that an annoyance. That might be true your experience, but it's not true in general. Correctly set up, with good blades, a bandsaw is just as capable as a hacksaw of cutting squarely. My 4" b/saw with a good 1/2" wide blade can cut a 4" dia MS bar square within about 10 thou or less. Near enough for all but a perfectionist. Go into any steel merchants supplying to trade shops, and I'd be surprised if you see them using anything but b/saws. They need the cutting speeds, but they'd soon lose customers if they supplied billets etc, that were not cut squarely. But, hacksaws and bandsaws often cut off square as the blades start to get blunt and need replacing. At that time, as well as becoming blunt, it's common for the tooth offset to wear more on one side than the other. That is the usual cause of saws cutting off square. That applies equally to both hacksaw and bandsaw blades. Mike. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Christopher Tidy Guest Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 1:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Rant: Some scrap dealers have no standards Mike G wrote: Quote: That might be true your experience, but it's not true in general. Correctly set up, with good blades, a bandsaw is just as capable as a hacksaw of cutting squarely. My 4" b/saw with a good 1/2" wide blade can cut a 4" dia MS bar square within about 10 thou or less. Near enough for all but a perfectionist. Go into any steel merchants supplying to trade shops, and I'd be surprised if you see them using anything but b/saws. They need the cutting speeds, but they'd soon lose customers if they supplied billets etc, that were not cut squarely. But, hacksaws and bandsaws often cut off square as the blades start to get blunt and need replacing. At that time, as well as becoming blunt, it's common for the tooth offset to wear more on one side than the other. That is the usual cause of saws cutting off square. That applies equally to both hacksaw and bandsaw blades. It's possible that I've never seen a bandsaw that's well adjusted. Nevertheless I remember talking to a knowledgeable technician about the problem, and he said "They never cut square". But bandsaws do seem to be more sensitive to wear and poor maintenance than hacksaws, and I imagine that this could be the cause of the problems. There's a trade machine shop near me which still has a Rapidor power hacksaw. Best wishes, Chris Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Ian Guest Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 3:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Rant: Some scrap dealers have no standards On 7 Jun, 20:42, R D Gravy <difflock...@hotmail.com> wrote: Quote: Yes this is a unhealthy situation,most scrap dealers are only in it for the money and nothing else... What do you think scrap dealing is - a vocation? Of course they're in it for the money! Ian Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Adrian Guest Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Rant: Some scrap dealers have no standards Christopher Tidy <cdt22NOSPAM@cantabgold.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: Quote: Yes this is a unhealthy situation,most scrap dealers are only in it for the money and nothing else... What do you think scrap dealing is - a vocation? Of course they're in it for the money! The point we were trying to make is that we don't think you should scrap good machines just to make money. Ri-i-i-i-i-i-ight. How's your application to the Charity Commissioners going? What do you mean "Which application?" - surely you're looking to make this retirement home that you're setting up for superannuated JCBs a charitable trust? Oh, wait a mo... You're not actually doing it yourself? You're expecting somebody else to pay to transport and store this unwanted kit that you don't think should be scrapped? Hmmm... Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         Auto Insurance Forum Index -> Classic Cars All times are GMT Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next Page 1 of 3   Jump to: Select a forum Auto Insurance----------------Auto InsuranceLexus4x4Classic Cars  You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum Bad Credit Auto Loans - washington state's bad credit auto financing leader. Australian Debt Consolidation Experts medical insurance Wedding Escorts Incalll and Outcall in Modena, Bologna, Parma, Ferrara, Forli' ... 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