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Andrew Robert Breen
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 Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 3:43 pm Post subject: Re: UK FUEL |
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In article <zcKdnZmFEor7F6fVnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com>,
The Master <yeahright@youmustbehavinalaugh.com> wrote:
I'm sure the US treasury and the government of China will pay the
utmost attention to your petition.
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Andy Breen Not speaking on behalf of the University of Wales, Aberystwyth
Post-September, somebody figured out that the Internet was
cheaper than babysitters (Dick Gaughan) |
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Alan Smith
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 5:56 pm Post subject: Re: UK FUEL |
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Andrew Robert Breen wrote:
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In article <zcKdnZmFEor7F6fVnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com>,
The Master <yeahright@youmustbehavinalaugh.com> wrote:
Dear Friends,
I have set up a petition about the ever rising fuel prices in the UK.
Please add your name(s) and then send the link onto as many people as you
can.
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/ukfuelcosts/signatures-1.html
I'm sure the US treasury and the government of China will pay the
utmost attention to your petition.
and the greedy bastards on the Chicago commodities exchange that's |
actually causing the problems |
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Andrew Robert Breen
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 8:13 pm Post subject: Re: UK FUEL |
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In article <g1ec10$9mh$1@aioe.org>, Alan Smith <alan@none.com> wrote:
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Andrew Robert Breen wrote:
In article <zcKdnZmFEor7F6fVnZ2dnUVZ8qqlnZ2d@bt.com>,
The Master <yeahright@youmustbehavinalaugh.com> wrote:
Dear Friends,
I have set up a petition about the ever rising fuel prices in the UK.
Please add your name(s) and then send the link onto as many people as you
can.
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/ukfuelcosts/signatures-1.html
I'm sure the US treasury and the government of China will pay the
utmost attention to your petition.
and the greedy bastards on the Chicago commodities exchange that's
actually causing the problems
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I'm sure they'll be delighted to fall in line once they see the
petition.
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Andy Breen ~ Speaking for myself, not the University of Wales
"your suggestion rates at four monkeys for six weeks"
(Peter D. Rieden) |
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Adrian
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 12:17 pm Post subject: Re: UK FUEL |
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"Badger" <brianhatton@btinternet.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:
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A new Dodge Ram (the dirty big model) comes with a Chrysler 5.7 Hemi V8
engine. A Chrysler 300c has the same engine. The Dodge Ram has permanent
4-wheel drive and the aerodynamics of a garage, the 300c is 2 wheel
drive and has slightly better aerodynamics. Average mpg in the Dodge is
about 13, the 300c returns an easy 19mpg. The Dodge owner pays £185 for
12 months tax, the 300c's owner pays £400!!!!!!!! Why? Because the
Dodge Ram is so bloody heavy it's taxed as a commercial vehicle, that's
why! It falls into the same class as a 3500-7500kg truck. Where is the
logic? I despair, I really do. Badger.
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Or a slightly different loophole.
An Alpina 5-series is £185 tax, because it's a low production/sales model
which doesn't have an official CO2 figure... |
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Richard Porter
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 3:43 pm Post subject: Re: UK FUEL |
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The date being 26 May 2008, "The Master"
<yeahright@youmustbehavinalaugh.com> decided to write:
Well actually I think you're a bit off-target. Fuel prices are
beginning to byte, which might encourage people to use smaller and
more efficient vehicles and reduce journeys. However the VED proposals
are completely illogical. By all means have a duty on new cars because
of the emissions caused by manufacturing them, but the government is
just using global warming as an excuse to increase taxation, whilst at
the same time pressing ahead with airport expansion.
Increasing the VED on the cars people already own is daft for two
reasons. If it encourages people to recycle old cars and buy new ones
that will only increase carbon emissions. Secondly, once they have
paid the VED it is no longer a disincentive to use the car. They might
as well make the most of it.
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Richard Porter
rich@ / www. richardporter.me.uk
"You can't have Windows without pains." |
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Badger
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 4:30 pm Post subject: Re: UK FUEL |
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"Richard Porter" <dontusethis@address.uk.invalid> wrote in message
news:9d35ffa54f.news@user.minijem.plus.com...
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The date being 26 May 2008, "The Master"
yeahright@youmustbehavinalaugh.com> decided to write:
Dear Friends,
I have set up a petition about the ever rising fuel prices in the UK.
Please add your name(s) and then send the link onto as many people as
you
can.
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/ukfuelcosts/signatures-1.html
Well actually I think you're a bit off-target. Fuel prices are
beginning to byte, which might encourage people to use smaller and
more efficient vehicles and reduce journeys. However the VED proposals
are completely illogical. By all means have a duty on new cars because
of the emissions caused by manufacturing them, but the government is
just using global warming as an excuse to increase taxation, whilst at
the same time pressing ahead with airport expansion.
Increasing the VED on the cars people already own is daft for two
reasons. If it encourages people to recycle old cars and buy new ones
that will only increase carbon emissions. Secondly, once they have
paid the VED it is no longer a disincentive to use the car. They might
as well make the most of it.
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And why have a policy which actually encourages certain sectors to use
highly uneconomical vehicles??
A new Dodge Ram (the dirty big model) comes with a Chrysler 5.7 Hemi V8
engine. A Chrysler 300c has the same engine. The Dodge Ram has permanent
4-wheel drive and the aerodynamics of a garage, the 300c is 2 wheel drive
and has slightly better aerodynamics. Average mpg in the Dodge is about 13,
the 300c returns an easy 19mpg. The Dodge owner pays £185 for 12 months tax,
the 300c's owner pays £400!!!!!!!! Why? Because the Dodge Ram is so bloody
heavy it's taxed as a commercial vehicle, that's why! It falls into the same
class as a 3500-7500kg truck. Where is the logic? I despair, I really do.
Badger. |
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Pete M
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 11:52 pm Post subject: Re: UK FUEL |
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Adrian wrote:
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"Badger" <brianhatton@btinternet.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:
A new Dodge Ram (the dirty big model) comes with a Chrysler 5.7 Hemi V8
engine. A Chrysler 300c has the same engine. The Dodge Ram has permanent
4-wheel drive and the aerodynamics of a garage, the 300c is 2 wheel
drive and has slightly better aerodynamics. Average mpg in the Dodge is
about 13, the 300c returns an easy 19mpg. The Dodge owner pays £185 for
12 months tax, the 300c's owner pays £400!!!!!!!! Why? Because the
Dodge Ram is so bloody heavy it's taxed as a commercial vehicle, that's
why! It falls into the same class as a 3500-7500kg truck. Where is the
logic? I despair, I really do. Badger.
Or a slightly different loophole.
An Alpina 5-series is £185 tax, because it's a low production/sales model
which doesn't have an official CO2 figure...
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Stretch limos pay £185 a year because of a lack of CO2 figure. That
amuses me.
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Pete M - OMF#9
Range Rover V8 Turbo
Range Rover 4.6 HSE
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Adrian
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 7:55 pm Post subject: Re: UK FUEL |
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"Charles Hamilton" <dyolfknip@btinternet.com> gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:
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I run a Citroen Xantia 2.0 HDi Estate. (2000 model) and pay £185. One of
my work colleagues has a Peugeot 307 2.0 HDi, same engine, and pays less
than half that. WHY!!!
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Simple. The 307 is post-01, so CO2 taxed, hence about £120. 2001 Xant
HDis are taxed at about £150 - the CO2 emissions are slightly higher than
those for the 307 HDi, at least in part because it's a nominally larger
car - the 406 is closer to the Xant, and 407 with the C5, whilst the 307
shares a lot with the C4. |
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Charles Hamilton
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 12:24 am Post subject: Re: UK FUEL |
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I run a Citroen Xantia 2.0 HDi Estate. (2000 model) and pay £185. One of my
work colleagues has a Peugeot 307 2.0 HDi, same engine, and pays less than
half that. WHY!!!
"Pete M" <pete.murray@SPAMFREEblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:g1hl8j$g45$4@registered.motzarella.org...
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Adrian wrote:
"Badger" <brianhatton@btinternet.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:
A new Dodge Ram (the dirty big model) comes with a Chrysler 5.7 Hemi V8
engine. A Chrysler 300c has the same engine. The Dodge Ram has permanent
4-wheel drive and the aerodynamics of a garage, the 300c is 2 wheel
drive and has slightly better aerodynamics. Average mpg in the Dodge is
about 13, the 300c returns an easy 19mpg. The Dodge owner pays £185 for
12 months tax, the 300c's owner pays £400!!!!!!!! Why? Because the
Dodge Ram is so bloody heavy it's taxed as a commercial vehicle, that's
why! It falls into the same class as a 3500-7500kg truck. Where is the
logic? I despair, I really do. Badger.
Or a slightly different loophole.
An Alpina 5-series is £185 tax, because it's a low production/sales model
which doesn't have an official CO2 figure...
Stretch limos pay £185 a year because of a lack of CO2 figure. That amuses
me.
--
Pete M - OMF#9
Range Rover V8 Turbo
Range Rover 4.6 HSE
"Professional Petrolhead" |
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:Jerry:
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 12:28 am Post subject: Re: UK FUEL |
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"Charles Hamilton" <dyolfknip@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:TbCdnQb1yPT8LKDVRVnyiAA@bt.com...
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I run a Citroen Xantia 2.0 HDi Estate. (2000 model) and pay £185. One
of my work colleagues has a Peugeot 307 2.0 HDi, same engine, and
pays less than half that. WHY!!!
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Have you bothered to look at the performance, fuel consumption,
emissions specs for each vehicle and not just the outward appearance
of the engine?... |
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