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Rob.
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 7:59 am    Post subject: Re: Tyres Reply with quote

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Quote:
In article <69ndjiF33t57kU1@mid.individual.net>,
Conor <conor_turton@hotmail.com> wrote:

In article <69nc63F341epjU2@mid.individual.net>, Willy Eckerslyke
says...

Conor wrote:


I used a G clamp.

I can only go on my experience on the 2000TC I owned. And it works
just as well on the Rover 600's as well.

Just a thought, but you do realise we're talking about the _rear_
brakes, don't you?


Yes. - the inboard fucking things on the P6.


My Rover 600 was a 2L with discs all round. So was my 420. In fact, the
Capri is the only car I've had without rear discs since before the turn
of the century.


As a matter of interest what did the 'other' end of the g-clamp bear on?
The P6 has just a tin cover over the mechanism on that side rather than
the cast iron that is more usual.


May I butt in - But I would have thought the pitch of the thread on the
G cramp would have been different to that in the caliper, so you would
have conflicting results. So the push to turn ratio is not 1:1 using the
cramp.

I haven't seen a Rover caliper only others which you had to screw the
piston back in and that was for the hand brake operation. These needed a
tool which gripped the piston and you turned it for resetting. No way
could a G cramp be used in this situation.
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Dave Plowman (News)
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 12:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Tyres Reply with quote

In article <483784a8_4@news.peopletelecom.com.au>,
Rob. <mesa@mine.com.> wrote:
Quote:
I haven't seen a Rover caliper only others which you had to screw the
piston back in and that was for the hand brake operation. These needed a
tool which gripped the piston and you turned it for resetting. No way
could a G cramp be used in this situation.

Think most here agree with you. ;-)

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:Jerry:
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 1:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Tyres Reply with quote

"Rob." <mesa@mine.com.> wrote in message
news:483784a8_4@news.peopletelecom.com.au...
<snip>
Quote:

May I butt in - But I would have thought the pitch of the thread on
the G cramp would have been different to that in the caliper, so you
would have conflicting results. So the push to turn ratio is not 1:1
using the cramp.

I haven't seen a Rover caliper only others which you had to screw
the piston back in and that was for the hand brake operation. These
needed a tool which gripped the piston and you turned it for
resetting. No way could a G cramp be used in this situation.



Indeed, both of which Conor seems to 'thick' to understand. :~(
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Steve Firth
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 5:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Tyres Reply with quote

campingstoveman <martin.perman@btopenworld.com> wrote:

Quote:
As the instigator of this thread

Being "the instigator" of a thread doesn't give you any particualr
priveliges.

Quote:
I am disappointed that you have to have a
slanging match

I am disappointed that you're too pig-ignorant to know how to reply to a
usenet post.

Quote:
that borders on total ignorance from the both of you, please do us all the
favour of either going somewhere else to carry out your petty arguments or
just shut up.

You don't get to make the rules. You certainly don't get the right to
tell others to shut up.
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Steve Firth
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 5:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Tyres Reply with quote

campingstoveman <martin.perman@btopenworld.com> wrote:

Quote:
Assuming I have understood you correctly no I'm not, I cant abide swearing
in any form or bickering about nothing in particular.

Then I respectfully suggest that you fuck off.
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:Jerry:
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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 2:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Tyres Reply with quote

"Conor" <conor_turton@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:69o44pF32gem1U1@mid.individual.net...
Quote:
In article <g16hm8$jb3$2@registered.motzarella.org>, :Jerry: says...

snip


Oh yes there was - on both accounts - so thank *you* for proving
that
you never took your "C&G Motor Vehicle Craft Studies"...

That was the CGLI 381, dumbass, not the 383.


No Conor, it *was* called "C&G Motor Vehicle Craft Studies", you have
just proved that you never took anything near the quality of
apprentership I took, you basically took a collage course that taught
you enough to find work in the motor trade [1] as there were no
apprenterships (as such) by the mid 1980s...

[1] the courses I took could only be taken once employed in a
apprentership
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Andy Dingley
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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 5:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Tyres Reply with quote

On 21 May, 10:01, "Dave Plowman (News)" <d...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

Quote:
I dunno - it's just conceivable that a G clamp with enough friction
between its 'pad' and the piston could turn the piston. But I'm sceptical.

Not a hope. If this is the design of caliper I think, you _don't_ want
to push it all, merely rotate it and let it wind itself back in (I'm
familiar with this Girling design, but don't know if it's what the P6
used) It's not at all useful to apply any sort of axial pressure - it
can't help, it can only jam the thread.
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Dave Plowman (News)
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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 10:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Tyres Reply with quote

In article
<d5e66ae0-8d0b-4ae7-b723-bc58cb20db7d@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
Andy Dingley <dingbat@codesmiths.com> wrote:
Quote:
I dunno - it's just conceivable that a G clamp with enough friction
between its 'pad' and the piston could turn the piston. But I'm
sceptical.

Not a hope. If this is the design of caliper I think, you _don't_ want
to push it all, merely rotate it and let it wind itself back in (I'm
familiar with this Girling design, but don't know if it's what the P6
used) It's not at all useful to apply any sort of axial pressure - it
can't help, it can only jam the thread.

I'd agree - but not having tried it and can't anymore I'll give Conor 10%
of the benefit of the doubt.

The Girling unit used by the P6 is described as a swing caliper design.

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Rob.
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 11:57 am    Post subject: Re: Tyres Reply with quote

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Quote:
In article
d5e66ae0-8d0b-4ae7-b723-bc58cb20db7d@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
Andy Dingley <dingbat@codesmiths.com> wrote:

I dunno - it's just conceivable that a G clamp with enough friction
between its 'pad' and the piston could turn the piston. But I'm
sceptical.


Not a hope. If this is the design of caliper I think, you _don't_ want
to push it all, merely rotate it and let it wind itself back in (I'm
familiar with this Girling design, but don't know if it's what the P6
used) It's not at all useful to apply any sort of axial pressure - it
can't help, it can only jam the thread.


I'd agree - but not having tried it and can't anymore I'll give Conor 10%
of the benefit of the doubt.

The Girling unit used by the P6 is described as a swing caliper design.


Is this the type of tool which "attaches" to the piston with the lugs?

http://www.cranbrooktools.co.uk/wa/2/39/1249-Individual-Piston-Retractors/29792-Piston-Retractor-No-6.html

Which is used in conjunction with this

http://www.cranbrooktools.co.uk/wa/2/39/1245-Brake-Caliper-Piston-Tools/28432-Brake-Caliper-Piston-Rewind-Tool.html



What I use is just a universal cube block on a 3/8" drive in which you
apply hand pressure when you are winding the piston in.


http://www.abbeypowertools.co.uk/car-repair-tools/brake-repair-tools/showitem-5563-52334.aspx


is the tool which has differing lug sizes on each of the six sides.



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:Jerry:
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 12:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Tyres Reply with quote

"Rob." <mesa@mine.com.> wrote in message
news:483a5f62_3@news.peopletelecom.com.au...
<snip>
Quote:

Is this the type of tool which "attaches" to the piston with the
lugs?

Yes, the following examples are the correct tools, but not for the P6,
which don't have 'lugs', rather a 'L' shaped bit of sprung steel that
engages with the pad or retracting tool.

Quote:

http://www.cranbrooktools.co.uk/wa/2/39/1249-Individual-Piston-Retractors/29792-Piston-Retractor-No-6.html

Which is used in conjunction with this

http://www.cranbrooktools.co.uk/wa/2/39/1245-Brake-Caliper-Piston-Tools/28432-Brake-Caliper-Piston-Rewind-Tool.html



It be seen in the second example that it will be almost impossible to
apply excessive pressure to the piston.
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Conor
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 5:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Tyres Reply with quote

In article <g1bclo$7ee$1@registered.motzarella.org>, :Jerry: says...
Quote:

"Conor" <conor_turton@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:69o44pF32gem1U1@mid.individual.net...
In article <g16hm8$jb3$2@registered.motzarella.org>, :Jerry: says...

snip


Oh yes there was - on both accounts - so thank *you* for proving
that
you never took your "C&G Motor Vehicle Craft Studies"...

That was the CGLI 381, dumbass, not the 383.


No Conor, it *was* called "C&G Motor Vehicle Craft Studies", you have
just proved that you never took anything near the quality of
apprentership I took, you basically took a collage course that taught
you enough to find work in the motor trade [1] as there were no
apprenterships (as such) by the mid 1980s...

Whatever...



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Conor

I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't
looking good either. - Scott Adams
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