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:Jerry:
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 Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 9:36 pm Post subject: Re: Tyres |
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"SteveH" <steve@italiancar.co.uk> wrote in message
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Adrian <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> wrote:
":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> gurgled happily, sounding much
like
they were saying:
your understanding is less than someone who has seen these
callipers
(and the Rover P6), never mind worked on them.
puts hand up
I've never seen a P6 rear caliper up close, but I'm wondering
exactly wtf
Conor's on about...
I really fail to see any way in which a wind-back piston can be
wound
back with a G-clamp, especially given that it doesn't sound like
it's a
sliding-yoke single-piston design...
Here's a picture.
http://www.trevor-turner.co.uk/pages/Caliper_Small.html
Definitely designed for being wound in with the appropriate tool.
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....but that's not a Rover P6 calliper... |
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:Jerry:
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 9:46 pm Post subject: Re: Tyres |
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"Adrian" <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> wrote in message
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steve@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they
were saying:
I really fail to see any way in which a wind-back piston can be
wound
back with a G-clamp, especially given that it doesn't sound like
it's a
sliding-yoke single-piston design...
Here's a picture.
http://www.trevor-turner.co.uk/pages/Caliper_Small.html
Definitely designed for being wound in with the appropriate tool.
OK, so you can get a G-clamp onto the piston.
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But not on the P6 Rover...
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It's just down to "Will the clamp turn it rather than push it?"
(Very
unlikely ime of turny-piston calipers) and "Is there anything solid
enough on t'other side...?"
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....the calliper is mounted, via a rather involved mounting/pivot bolt,
to the diff carrier casting and even if one was to unship the calliper
from the car, were one normally has a casting there is nothing more
than a tin cover protecting part of the internal handbrake mechanism.
Partial parts diagram here
http://www.anugraha.org.uk/rover/parts_rear_cal_ipb2.gif, shows the
cover and some of the internal components.
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Either way, it's still a bodge.
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Indeed.... |
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SteveH
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 9:57 pm Post subject: Re: Tyres |
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:Jerry: <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote:
Fucking Google images.
That turned up on a search for a P6 caliper, ffs.
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www.italiancar.co.uk - Ducati 750SS - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200
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SteveH
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 9:57 pm Post subject: Re: Tyres |
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Adrian <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> wrote:
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OK, so you can get a G-clamp onto the piston.
But not on the P6 Rover...
shakes fist at SteveH
That's the last time I believe him...
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Shake your fist at Google, it's all their fault for putting it in an
image search for 'Rover P6 rear caliper'. Fuckwits.
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SteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
www.italiancar.co.uk - Ducati 750SS - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200
Alfa 75 TSpark - Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE |
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:Jerry:
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 9:58 pm Post subject: Re: Tyres |
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"Adrian" <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Ah, the good ol' British Motor Industry... Why make something
simple...?
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Hmm, they were simple, when compared to such delights as the front
callipers (that included the handbrake) fitted to Alfa Suds etc.... |
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Conor
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 10:05 pm Post subject: Re: Tyres |
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In article <1ihekso.1sx6v0c1tudrd3N%steve@italiancar.co.uk>, SteveH
says...
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Conor <conor_turton@hotmail.com> wrote:
So you're still a knuckle dragging mechanic then? At least I had the
sense to see it for what it was - the typical refuge of the school
remedial classes.
I'd be very careful going down this road....
I can only speak from experience from the type of person I worked with |
and saw at college.
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Conor
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 10:06 pm Post subject: Re: Tyres |
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In article <g16rdi$1v6$1@registered.motzarella.org>, Adrian says...
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OK, so you can get a G-clamp onto the piston.
It's just down to "Will the clamp turn it rather than push it?" (Very
unlikely ime of turny-piston calipers) and "Is there anything solid
enough on t'other side...?"
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Thankyou.
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Either way, it's still a bodge.
Didn't say otherwise. |
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:Jerry:
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 10:15 pm Post subject: Re: Tyres |
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"SteveH" <steve@italiancar.co.uk> wrote in message
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:Jerry: <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote:
Here's a picture.
http://www.trevor-turner.co.uk/pages/Caliper_Small.html
Definitely designed for being wound in with the appropriate tool.
...but that's not a Rover P6 calliper...
Fucking Google images.
That turned up on a search for a P6 caliper, ffs.
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Shit happens...
Ok, here you go, an diagram of the complete rear axle, brakes and
suspension, whilst this image shows the early Dunlop brakes that had
separate hand brake pads and actuator mechanism the layout is
similar - certainly the working clearances etc. although the later
Girling calliper was mounted towards the '12 O'clock' possision that
shown here <http://www.roversd1.nl/sd1web/techtalk/p6dedion.gif>.
(Quite why this P6 diagram is on a site dedicated to the SD1
thought...) |
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:Jerry:
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 10:15 pm Post subject: Re: Tyres |
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"SteveH" <steve@italiancar.co.uk> wrote in message
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:Jerry: <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote:
Here's a picture.
http://www.trevor-turner.co.uk/pages/Caliper_Small.html
Definitely designed for being wound in with the appropriate tool.
...but that's not a Rover P6 calliper...
Fucking Google images.
That turned up on a search for a P6 caliper, ffs.
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Shit happens...
Ok, here you go, an diagram of the complete rear axle, brakes and
suspension, whilst this image shows the early Dunlop brakes that had
separate hand brake pads and actuator mechanism the layout is
similar - certainly the working clearances etc. although the later
Girling calliper was mounted towards the '12 O'clock' possision that
shown here <http://www.roversd1.nl/sd1web/techtalk/p6dedion.gif>.
(Quite why this P6 diagram is on a site dedicated to the SD1
thought...) |
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Dave Plowman (News)
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 10:34 pm Post subject: Re: Tyres |
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In article <g16qn7$udv$1@registered.motzarella.org>,
Adrian <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> wrote:
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":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:
your understanding is less than someone who has seen these callipers
(and the Rover P6), never mind worked on them.
puts hand up> I've never seen a P6 rear caliper up close, but I'm
wondering exactly wtf Conor's on about...
I really fail to see any way in which a wind-back piston can be wound
back with a G-clamp, especially given that it doesn't sound like it's a
sliding-yoke single-piston design...
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It's a swing caliper - I suppose the predecessor of sliding types. The
whole caliper pivots. The pads start out with wedge shaped linings then
gradually become 'square' as they wear down. It has a single piston
internally which acts on a self adjusting mechanism which acts on the
single piston which operates one pad - the pivoting action causing the
other one to grip. Similar really to a sliding design.
What also worries me about Conor's 'technique' is the back op the caliper
has a tin cover to allow access to the mechanism. And if you put pressure
on that via a g-clamp it would likely distort and allow muck in - the last
thing you want with these.
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Dave Plowman (News)
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 10:35 pm Post subject: Re: Tyres |
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In article <1ihelm7.c2qbjc1ckhy2fN%steve@italiancar.co.uk>,
SteveH <steve@italiancar.co.uk> wrote:
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I really fail to see any way in which a wind-back piston can be wound
back with a G-clamp, especially given that it doesn't sound like it's a
sliding-yoke single-piston design...
Here's a picture.
http://www.trevor-turner.co.uk/pages/Caliper_Small.html
Definitely designed for being wound in with the appropriate tool.
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That's nothing like a P6 one.
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Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Dave Plowman (News)
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 10:40 pm Post subject: Re: Tyres |
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In article <g16sh0$74n$1@registered.motzarella.org>,
Adrian <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> wrote:
It's Girling - and was also used by Ford on the Mk IV Zephyrs. Probably
other makes too. I think Rover were sort of forced to use it as Dunlop who
made the brakes on the earlier cars stopped production.
As I said before it works extremely well - the best handbrake I've had on
any car - but like anything slightly more complicated than usual is open
to bodging by those more familiar with simple ones.
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 11:53 pm Post subject: Re: Tyres |
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Assuming I have understood you correctly no I'm not, I cant abide swearing
in any form or bickering about nothing in particular.
Martin P
"Adrian" <toomany2cvs@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"campingstoveman" <martin.perman@btopenworld.com> gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying:
Gentlemen,
As the instigator of this thread I am disappointed that you have to have
a slanging match that borders on total ignorance from the both of you,
please do us all the favour of either going somewhere else to carry out
your petty arguments or just shut up.
NAHAY? |
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:Jerry:
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| Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 1:59 am Post subject: Re: Tyres |
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"Conor" <conor_turton@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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In article <g16rdi$1v6$1@registered.motzarella.org>, Adrian says...
OK, so you can get a G-clamp onto the piston.
It's just down to "Will the clamp turn it rather than push it?"
(Very
unlikely ime of turny-piston calipers) and "Is there anything solid
enough on t'other side...?"
Thankyou.
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Except that Adrian and Steve were mislead by a misleading Google link,
of course you would have known that instantly you followed that URL if
you had ever seen (let alone worked) on a P6 rear brakes... |
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Adrian
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| Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 7:24 am Post subject: Re: Tyres |
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"campingstoveman" <martin.perman@btopenworld.com> gurgled happily,
sounding much like they were saying:
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As the instigator of this thread I am disappointed that you have to
have a slanging match that borders on total ignorance from the both of
you, please do us all the favour of either going somewhere else to
carry out your petty arguments or just shut up.
NAHAY?
Assuming I have understood you correctly no I'm not, I cant abide
swearing in any form or bickering about nothing in particular.
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What the fuck are you doing here, then? I mean, seriously... |
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