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 Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 12:29 am Post subject: Re: My sad news day |
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Adrian <adrian@ambquality.co.uk> wrote:
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Hi Steve
Steve Firth wrote:
Adrian <adrian@ambquality.co.uk> wrote:
I'm running a campaign at the moment the bring back the Swansea-Cork
ferry - which is a vital link for tourism & industry out here in the
South-West of Ireland
Ooh I used to use that "quite often" because a good friend of mine lived
at Ringaskiddy. His family were a bit famous around those parts since
they had an Island named after them.
Sounds interesting....
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I think nowadays the Island is under the Ringaskiddy terminal. It's
certainly not in the harbour. IIRC there's a plaque to the family in
question somwhere in the terminal. They used to have a really nice
cottage a few doors down from the pub.
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www.bringbacktheswanseacorkferry.com
with an online petition if you or anybody you know is interested....
Just as long as it's not an aging Greek reject this time and hopefully
the loos won't asphyxiate people in their sleep or the windows in the
bar break during heavy weather.
Well yes.....
On the website we _do_ say
==Just to clarify one thing - we'd all like the Swansea-Cork link to be
restored, preferably with a modern, comfortable (different!) boat,
operated by a responsive, efficient company.
This may or may not be "Swansea Cork Ferries" - but, whoever is involved
in operating it, the Swansea-Cork ferry service and the onward
'land-bridge' must be restored as soon as possible!==
Even though the last boat was a bit of a tub, it was, at least, a
link.... and without that link which gave easy access by car from the UK
/ EU to South-West Ireland - many holidaymakers are simply not making
the journey.... - and the tourist industry out here is suffering.
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That's a shame. I've still got fond memories of weddings, wakes, nights
out at the pub and cheese making.
I shall probably endorse your petition. |
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Adrian
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 1:02 pm Post subject: Re: My sad news day |
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HI Steve
Steve Firth wrote:
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Adrian <adrian@ambquality.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Steve
Steve Firth wrote:
Adrian <adrian@ambquality.co.uk> wrote:
I'm running a campaign at the moment the bring back the Swansea-Cork
ferry - which is a vital link for tourism & industry out here in the
South-West of Ireland
Ooh I used to use that "quite often" because a good friend of mine lived
at Ringaskiddy. His family were a bit famous around those parts since
they had an Island named after them.
Sounds interesting....
I think nowadays the Island is under the Ringaskiddy terminal. It's
certainly not in the harbour. IIRC there's a plaque to the family in
question somwhere in the terminal. They used to have a really nice
cottage a few doors down from the pub.
www.bringbacktheswanseacorkferry.com
with an online petition if you or anybody you know is interested....
Just as long as it's not an aging Greek reject this time and hopefully
the loos won't asphyxiate people in their sleep or the windows in the
bar break during heavy weather.
Well yes.....
On the website we _do_ say
==Just to clarify one thing - we'd all like the Swansea-Cork link to be
restored, preferably with a modern, comfortable (different!) boat,
operated by a responsive, efficient company.
This may or may not be "Swansea Cork Ferries" - but, whoever is involved
in operating it, the Swansea-Cork ferry service and the onward
'land-bridge' must be restored as soon as possible!==
Even though the last boat was a bit of a tub, it was, at least, a
link.... and without that link which gave easy access by car from the UK
/ EU to South-West Ireland - many holidaymakers are simply not making
the journey.... - and the tourist industry out here is suffering.
That's a shame. I've still got fond memories of weddings, wakes, nights
out at the pub and cheese making.
As I say - all e-signatures are very welcome !
http://www.bringbacktheswanseacorkferry.com/html/e-petition.php
I shall probably endorse your petition.
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Many thanks - it's appreciated
Adrian |
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Jim Warren
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 3:06 am Post subject: Re: My sad news day |
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Steve Firth wrote:
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Adrian <adrian@ambquality.co.uk> wrote:
That's why we started the campaign.....
Have you thought about approaching LD Lines? They recently re-opened the
Porsmouth/Le Havre ferry which takes a similar time to the Swansea/Cork
route and are providing a good quality service at a reasonable price.
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Alternatively, have you approached DFSD? They are popular for routes
across the North Sea, and according to my brother who used them once, a
nice comfortable boat at a sensible price. If the channel tunnel has
made a dent in their passenger numbers, they might have some spare
capacity to move to Cork.
Jim |
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Steve Firth
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 6:08 am Post subject: Re: My sad news day |
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Adrian <adrian@ambquality.co.uk> wrote:
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I shall probably endorse your petition.
Many thanks - it's appreciated
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OK, I haven't done it. I don't want to subscribe to a newsletter and the
"code" whatever the fuck that is isn't visible so the website won't
accept my comment.
Another triumph of fuckbugwittery over common sense when it comes to
website design. |
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Adrian
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 10:57 am Post subject: Re: My sad news day |
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HI Jim / Steve
Jim Warren wrote:
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Steve Firth wrote:
Adrian <adrian@ambquality.co.uk> wrote:
That's why we started the campaign.....
Have you thought about approaching LD Lines? They recently re-opened the
Porsmouth/Le Havre ferry which takes a similar time to the Swansea/Cork
route and are providing a good quality service at a reasonable price.
Alternatively, have you approached DFSD? They are popular for routes
across the North Sea, and according to my brother who used them once, a
nice comfortable boat at a sensible price. If the channel tunnel has
made a dent in their passenger numbers, they might have some spare
capacity to move to Cork.
Jim
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Now this will sound like a cop-out - but I'm hoping that the actual
chatting with ferry compaines can be done by somebody more experienced
than I.
Our situation at the moment seems to be that the people in the Dail in
Dublin either are unaware of the problem or don't care about the problem
- either way - we aim to highlight the situation...
The website's full of reports from people whose businesses are suffering
from not having this link in place. I came from Cornwall - and it's like
digging a great big trench across the A30 and the A38 - having the same
impact on our tourist industry. Thing is - it looks like such an easy
problem to solve - get a boat! - but for some reason whi we aren't being
told, it's being made more complicated...
Anyway - off the soapbox and out to sell some stained / fused glass to
the few tourists who have got through the 'blockade' <g>
Thanks for the signature, Steve
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Adrian
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 11:02 am Post subject: Re: My sad news day |
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Hi Steve
Steve Firth wrote:
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Adrian <adrian@ambquality.co.uk> wrote:
I shall probably endorse your petition.
Many thanks - it's appreciated
OK, I haven't done it. I don't want to subscribe to a newsletter and the
"code" whatever the fuck that is isn't visible so the website won't
accept my comment.
Another triumph of fuckbugwittery over common sense when it comes to
website design.
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I hope you're joking...... cos your comments came through fine....
and are on the website now.
The 'code' is the three-letter 'captcha' image that should appear
just below the comment box. It's designed to stop those darn 'spambots'
that otherwise clog up such online forms - and it was working OK the
last time I looked...
Where does it mention a newletter..... ? - can't remember putting that
in there...
Adrian |
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Steve Firth
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 12:07 pm Post subject: Re: My sad news day |
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Adrian <adrian@ambquality.co.uk> wrote:
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Hi Steve
Steve Firth wrote:
Adrian <adrian@ambquality.co.uk> wrote:
I shall probably endorse your petition.
Many thanks - it's appreciated
OK, I haven't done it. I don't want to subscribe to a newsletter and the
"code" whatever the fuck that is isn't visible so the website won't
accept my comment.
Another triumph of fuckbugwittery over common sense when it comes to
website design.
I hope you're joking...... cos your comments came through fine....
and are on the website now.
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No, I'm not joking.
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The 'code' is the three-letter 'captcha' image that should appear
just below the comment box. It's designed to stop those darn 'spambots'
that otherwise clog up such online forms - and it was working OK the
last time I looked...
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No sign of it and I didn't enter one. <checks> No, it's still not there.
Would it by any chance be some sort of Javascript thing? I don't run
Javascript from websites, for fairly obvious reasons.
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Where does it mention a newletter..... ? - can't remember putting that
in there...
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On the home page:
"To show your support for our campaign - please support our 'e-petition'
here and we'll add your name to our e-newsletter and keep you up-to-date
with any developments."
Sorry it's an e-newsletter obviously not the same thing as a newsletter. |
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Dave Plowman (News)
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 12:57 pm Post subject: Re: My sad news day |
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In article <1ih2rhe.20glvwdmxv7wN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk>,
Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
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I hope you're joking...... cos your comments came through fine....
and are on the website now.
No, I'm not joking.
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They're there when I checked just now. 'Sent 05/17/2008 06:46:33'. Nothing
better to do this time on a Saturday? ;-)
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The 'code' is the three-letter 'captcha' image that should appear
just below the comment box. It's designed to stop those darn 'spambots'
that otherwise clog up such online forms - and it was working OK the
last time I looked...
No sign of it and I didn't enter one. <checks> No, it's still not there.
Would it by any chance be some sort of Javascript thing? I don't run
Javascript from websites, for fairly obvious reasons.
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It appears as just a JPEG icon here using an old version of JavaScript.
--
*Santa's helpers are subordinate clauses*
Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
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Adrian
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 6:09 pm Post subject: Re: My sad news day |
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HI Steve / Dave
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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In article <1ih2rhe.20glvwdmxv7wN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk>,
Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
I hope you're joking...... cos your comments came through fine....
and are on the website now.
No, I'm not joking.
They're there when I checked just now. 'Sent 05/17/2008 06:46:33'. Nothing
better to do this time on a Saturday? ;-)
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Interesting....
In theory (!), if you couldn't see the 'captcha' letters, and
therefore couldn't enter them - then your comment shouldn't have made it
to the e-petition..... so I wonder how that happened....
I think I'll have to look into stopping the spammers server-side -
there's a couple of easy checks that 'spot' spambot entries and 'kill'
them before writing them to the e-petition file - maybe I'll look inot
that and scrap the 'captcha'...
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The 'code' is the three-letter 'captcha' image that should appear
just below the comment box. It's designed to stop those darn 'spambots'
that otherwise clog up such online forms - and it was working OK the
last time I looked...
No sign of it and I didn't enter one. <checks> No, it's still not there.
Would it by any chance be some sort of Javascript thing? I don't run
Javascript from websites, for fairly obvious reasons.
It appears as just a JPEG icon here using an old version of JavaScript.
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It's a 'bolt on' feature supplied as part of the web editing program -
much of the form handling is done in php, but I'm not sure just how the
'captcha' bit works...
Thanks for the feedback folks ....
Adrian |
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Steve Firth
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 6:27 pm Post subject: Re: My sad news day |
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Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
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In article <1ih2rhe.20glvwdmxv7wN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk>,
Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
I hope you're joking...... cos your comments came through fine....
and are on the website now.
No, I'm not joking.
They're there when I checked just now. 'Sent 05/17/2008 06:46:33'. Nothing
better to do this time on a Saturday? ;-)
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Early start. Believe me I was looking forward to a lie-in, but the
farmer's wives coven has a meeting over near Basingstoke and I was
volunteered as driver.
Yes, I can see that the comment is there, but the site gave an error
message and I can't find the spamtrap picture at all and I'm bemused
about why the site accepted the comment if the "captcha" thing is an
essential part of the process.
Still can't see it. |
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Adrian
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 6:46 pm Post subject: Re: My sad news day |
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Hi Steve
Steve Firth wrote:
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Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
In article <1ih2rhe.20glvwdmxv7wN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk>,
Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
I hope you're joking...... cos your comments came through fine....
and are on the website now.
No, I'm not joking.
They're there when I checked just now. 'Sent 05/17/2008 06:46:33'. Nothing
better to do this time on a Saturday? ;-)
Early start. Believe me I was looking forward to a lie-in, but the
farmer's wives coven has a meeting over near Basingstoke and I was
volunteered as driver.
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You & me both - up 0630 hours to pack the car for the local Farmers'
market...
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Yes, I can see that the comment is there, but the site gave an error
message and I can't find the spamtrap picture at all and I'm bemused
about why the site accepted the comment if the "captcha" thing is an
essential part of the process.
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So am I - I'll have to have a paddle round the code.... <g>
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Still can't see it.
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Aha - well - you won't now, 'cos I've taken it off <g>
- preparing for the avalance of spambot bother....
It's more of an irritation than a big deal, 'cos everything had to be
validated by me before it gets published (had a couple of daft entries
early on) - but it's annoying ploughing through 20 spambot messages and
deleting each one...
However - I'm all for making it more 'user-friendly' -
we don;t want to make it hard for folks to sign up to the e-petition...
You don;t recall what the error message was, do you ??
Ah well - it's raining out here in West Cork this afternoon -
ideal weather for hacking server-side scripts !
Thanks
Adrian |
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Steve Firth
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 7:53 pm Post subject: Re: My sad news day |
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Adrian <adrian@ambquality.co.uk> wrote:
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You don;t recall what the error message was, do you ??
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Sorry, no I wasn't pying attention that much. It seemed to be offended
because Javascript is disabled in my browser and I got a error page that
looked like it was generated by NoScript rather than by your site. |
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 9:00 pm Post subject: Re: My sad news day |
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HI Steve
Steve Firth wrote:
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Adrian <adrian@ambquality.co.uk> wrote:
You don;t recall what the error message was, do you ??
Sorry, no I wasn't pying attention that much. It seemed to be offended
because Javascript is disabled in my browser and I got a error page that
looked like it was generated by NoScript rather than by your site.
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Ah - OK.....
Odd that it let you post anyway.....
Have modded the page for the time being to remove the 'captcha' thing -
and modded the (hidden) admin page so's I can bulk-delete spambot posts.
We'll see how it goes...
Thanks
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Jim Warren
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 3:25 am Post subject: Re: My sad news day |
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Steve Firth wrote:
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Yes, I can see that the comment is there, but the site gave an error
message and I can't find the spamtrap picture at all and I'm bemused
about why the site accepted the comment if the "captcha" thing is an
essential part of the process.
Still can't see it.
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I had a quick look at the page source. I am not particularly good with
javascript, because I never learned it, but there are enough
similarities with Coral66 which I did learn 20 years ago to have some
idea of what is going on.
As far as I can see, if the scripts don't run, then the validation to
decide not to send the form if there is a completion error doesn't run
either, so anything gets through.
Who hasn't tested the No Script conditions then? ;-)
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| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 11:53 am Post subject: Re: My sad news day |
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HI Jim
Jim Warren wrote:
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Steve Firth wrote:
Yes, I can see that the comment is there, but the site gave an error
message and I can't find the spamtrap picture at all and I'm bemused
about why the site accepted the comment if the "captcha" thing is an
essential part of the process.
Still can't see it.
I had a quick look at the page source. I am not particularly good with
javascript, because I never learned it, but there are enough
similarities with Coral66 which I did learn 20 years ago to have some
idea of what is going on.
As far as I can see, if the scripts don't run, then the validation to
decide not to send the form if there is a completion error doesn't run
either, so anything gets through.
Who hasn't tested the No Script conditions then? ;-)
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Thanks for taking the time to look - appreciated..
As to 'who hasn't...?' then that'd be the folks at Netobjects.... <g>
- the form handling was their product, part of NetobjectsFusion10.
They're not very keen to sort out bugs in the scripts - I've asked
them... seem to be much more focussed on the new version of NOF that's
due out sometime soon (probably using the same scripts !)
Ah well... that's life <g>
Thanks
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