Auto Insurance Auto Insurance    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Register   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  U.S. Employment: GM vs Toyota Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next          Auto Insurance Forum Index -> Lexus View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message David Z Guest Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 4:13 am    Post subject: Re: U.S. Employment: GM vs Toyota "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message news:Wu%Xj.3876$ah4.1188@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com... Quote: "David Z" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message At the time, Japanese cars had earned a reputation for better reliability, but I thought I would give the US car companies a chance to catch up before buying foreign. To my amazement, they never did. Sure they did, in the early 90's. The US car companies "caught up" in the sense that they narrowed the gap substantially, but never equalled the leading Japanese companies in reliability. And then, the Japanese car companies continued to improve and leave the US companies in the dust once again. Keep in mind we're talking purely about reliability here. IMO, the US companies never really "caught up" when it comes to ergonomics, fuel efficiency, and overall customer satisfaction. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor 80 Knight Guest Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 6:23 am    Post subject: Re: U.S. Employment: GM vs Toyota "David Z" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:69brgbF31l6f3U1@mid.individual.net... Quote: "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message news:Wu%Xj.3876$ah4.1188@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com... "David Z" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message At the time, Japanese cars had earned a reputation for better reliability, but I thought I would give the US car companies a chance to catch up before buying foreign. To my amazement, they never did. Sure they did, in the early 90's. The US car companies "caught up" in the sense that they narrowed the gap substantially, but never equalled the leading Japanese companies in reliability. And then, the Japanese car companies continued to improve and leave the US companies in the dust once again. Keep in mind we're talking purely about reliability here. snip Is that why Toyota recalls more vehicles every year then all other auto makers? That's definitely "reliability". Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor JoeSpareBedroom Guest Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 6:30 am    Post subject: Re: U.S. Employment: GM vs Toyota "80 Knight" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Vt6dnXfpYNnjS63VnZ2dnUVZ_gudnZ2d@giganews.com... Quote: "David Z" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:69brgbF31l6f3U1@mid.individual.net... "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message news:Wu%Xj.3876$ah4.1188@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com... "David Z" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message At the time, Japanese cars had earned a reputation for better reliability, but I thought I would give the US car companies a chance to catch up before buying foreign. To my amazement, they never did. Sure they did, in the early 90's. The US car companies "caught up" in the sense that they narrowed the gap substantially, but never equalled the leading Japanese companies in reliability. And then, the Japanese car companies continued to improve and leave the US companies in the dust once again. Keep in mind we're talking purely about reliability here. snip Is that why Toyota recalls more vehicles every year then all other auto makers? That's definitely "reliability". Uh oh. Logic bomb. Can you spot it, before someone urinates on your face? Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Edwin Pawlowski Guest Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 7:20 am    Post subject: Re: U.S. Employment: GM vs Toyota "80 Knight" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message Quote: snip Is that why Toyota recalls more vehicles every year then all other auto makers? That's definitely "reliability". Recalls more or has more recalls? There is a difference. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor David Z Guest Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 7:21 am    Post subject: Re: U.S. Employment: GM vs Toyota "80 Knight" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:Vt6dnXfpYNnjS63VnZ2dnUVZ_gudnZ2d@giganews.com... Quote: "David Z" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:69brgbF31l6f3U1@mid.individual.net... "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message news:Wu%Xj.3876$ah4.1188@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com... "David Z" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message At the time, Japanese cars had earned a reputation for better reliability, but I thought I would give the US car companies a chance to catch up before buying foreign. To my amazement, they never did. Sure they did, in the early 90's. The US car companies "caught up" in the sense that they narrowed the gap substantially, but never equalled the leading Japanese companies in reliability. And then, the Japanese car companies continued to improve and leave the US companies in the dust once again. Keep in mind we're talking purely about reliability here. snip Is that why Toyota recalls more vehicles every year then all other auto makers? That's definitely "reliability". Surely you must be aware that Lexus has won JD Powers reliability survey for something like 12 of the last 12 years. Also, Comsumer Reports' ratings confirm and validate JD Power's rankings. If Lexus' reliability record doesn't convince you, nothing will. That said, there are some recent signs that the shine from that record is dimming. Even so, Lexus remains the undisputed king of reliability for now. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Don Schmidt Guest Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 7:32 am    Post subject: Re: U.S. Employment: GM vs Toyota Great observation! My wife had a '92 Corolla she just traded in on a '07 Corolla; in those 15 years, no recalls. I wish I could say the same for my '01 Cadillac DHS. -- Don Vancouver, USA "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message news:Qs5Yj.4446$7k7.4405@flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com... Quote: "80 Knight" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message snip Is that why Toyota recalls more vehicles every year then all other auto makers? That's definitely "reliability". Recalls more or has more recalls? There is a difference. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor 80 Knight Guest Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 8:19 am    Post subject: Re: U.S. Employment: GM vs Toyota "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message news:Qs5Yj.4446$7k7.4405@flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com... Quote: "80 Knight" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message snip Is that why Toyota recalls more vehicles every year then all other auto makers? That's definitely "reliability". Recalls more or has more recalls? There is a difference. The fact is, Toyota got greedy, and tried to get to the #1 auto maker too quickly, and in doing so, they let there quality slip considerably. Not that it was all that great before either. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor HLS Guest Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 7:24 pm    Post subject: Re: U.S. Employment: GM vs Toyota "80 Knight" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:ra6dneYHGo4rbK3VnZ2dnUVZ_qfinZ2d@giganews.com... Quote: "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message news:Qs5Yj.4446$7k7.4405@flpi150.ffdc.sbc.com... "80 Knight" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message snip Is that why Toyota recalls more vehicles every year then all other auto makers? That's definitely "reliability". Recalls more or has more recalls? There is a difference. The fact is, Toyota got greedy, and tried to get to the #1 auto maker too quickly, and in doing so, they let there quality slip considerably. Not that it was all that great before either. Apparently it is not so simple as you suggest. http://www.businessweek.com/autos/content/jun2006/bw20060601_836628.htm?chan=autos_autos+index+page_news Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor larry moe 'n curly Guest Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 7:58 pm    Post subject: Re: U.S. Employment: GM vs Toyota Mike hunt wrote: Quote: The import brands try to give the impression that the vehicles they sell in North America are made in North America, but that simply is not factual. According to the US Department of Commerce site, around 85% of the vehicle sold in the US by both GM and Ford are made in North American of around 80% NA parts. NO import brand builds anywhere near 50% of the vehicle they sell in North America in North America and the vast majority of parts in the vehicle they assembled in North America are made elsewhere. One model Mazda made in Michigan was labelled as having about 90% domestic content, more than some Chryslers, GMs, or Fords. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor HLS Guest Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 8:16 pm    Post subject: Re: U.S. Employment: GM vs Toyota "HLS" <nospam@nospam.nix> wrote in message news:57gYj.2146 Quote: Apparently it is not so simple as you suggest. http://www.businessweek.com/autos/content/jun2006/bw20060601_836628.htm?chan=autos_autos+index+page_news Just had the little GM pickup into the dealership this morning.. After losing the second alternator (total mileage 30,000), now the ECM is out and has to be replaced. The quality just ISNT there. Maybe in some other GM creations, but I have been stung on the last several I have owned. GM dodged recalling a lot of problems caused by their mistakes and quality. It is, I believe, the way GM has handled problems, versus the way other manufacturers have handled them, that result in the loyalty issues. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Mike hunt Guest Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 11:21 pm    Post subject: Re: U.S. Employment: GM vs Toyota The import brands try to give the impression that the vehicles they sell in North America are made in North America, but that simply is not factual. According to the US Department of Commerce site, around 85% of the vehicle sold in the US by both GM and Ford are made in North American of around 80% NA parts. NO import brand builds anywhere near 50% of the vehicle they sell in North America in North America and the vast majority of parts in the vehicle they assembled in North America are made elsewhere. "Ralph Mowery" <rmowery28146@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:3-udnezCiMytCLLVnZ2dnUVZ_rXinZ2d@earthlink.com... Quote: buydomestic@usa.com> wrote in message news:dff9cde3-d3e9-47e3-8ff5-f81d67e3aa26@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com... GM employs 142,000+ people in the United States. Toyota employs 36,632 people in the United States. The sources: http://www.gm.com/corporate/about/global_operations/north_america/usa.jsp http://www.toyota.com/about/our_business/at_a_glance/our_numbers/direct_employment.html Not only that, but the Toyota jobs are basically just lower paying blue collar jobs, where as GM has 50,000 engineers working over here. Toyota and other import car companies have brainwashed Americans into thinking that buying their car is just as good or better for the American economy than buying from the Big Three, because their car is assembled over here, but that is baloney. My friends...when we buy our cars from GM, Ford, or Chrysler, the money stays over here. Otherwise, it just goes down the drain. I don't know about the blue collar workers, but when Ford will fire a CEO and give him $ 20 million to leave, something is wrong with our system... Just as with Home Depot. Fired their CEO and gave him $ 120 million. Wish I could get fired and get my part of that. How many of the big 3 cars are made somewhere else and shipped here ? Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Mike hunt Guest Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 11:29 pm    Post subject: Re: U.S. Employment: GM vs Toyota No US auto manufacture pays $65 to ANY worker. What you should be asking is why import brand vehicles sell for 20% more than domestic brand vehicles of the same size with the same equipment, yet the workers in US imports brand assembly plants earn around 20% less than union workers ;) <johngdole@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:560f4202-1de6-413e-8759-ac2b3ea2b898@u36g2000prf.googlegroups.com... Quote: The only thing I wanted to know is how paying $65/hour for people to mow grass has any long term benefit to both management and labor. On May 17, 8:32 pm, "Ralph Mowery" <rmowery28...@earthlink.net> wrote: I don't know about the blue collar workers, but when Ford will fire a CEO and give him $ 20 million to leave, something is wrong with our system... Just as with Home Depot. Fired their CEO and gave him $ 120 million. Wish I could get fired and get my part of that. How many of the big 3 cars are made somewhere else and shipped here ? Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Mike hunt Guest Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 11:41 pm    Post subject: Re: U.S. Employment: GM vs Toyota <Zomby-Woof@cox.net> wrote in message news:p1j034ljsceio38s8jjp3l4dq469929p7k@4ax.com... Quote: On Sun, 18 May 2008 07:30:28 -0400, "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net wrote: I guess that explains why we are loosing so many jobs to other counties and why we should not tax Big Oil more ;) Quote: Anyone who owns their own business is more then aware of this. The cost of carrying an employee greatly exceeds just what the employee makes as a hourly rate. The greater the tax burden, mandated government costs such as medical care, minimum wages, and so forth that we put on the business the greater said burden. All of these costs are simply based onto the consumer. Many people just don't seem to understand that business do not pay taxes, they collect them. Any tax burden is built into the products & services they sell. -- "Before all else, be armed" -- Machiavelli Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor Mike hunt Guest Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 11:44 pm    Post subject: Re: U.S. Employment: GM vs Toyota Who told your to say that? "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborealis@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:0bYXj.25882$Wq.11371@fe105.usenetserver.com... Quote: buydomestic@usa.com> wrote in message news:dff9cde3-d3e9-47e3-8ff5-f81d67e3aa26@y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com... GM employs 142,000+ people in the United States. Toyota employs 36,632 people in the United States. The sources: http://www.gm.com/corporate/about/global_operations/north_america/usa.jsp http://www.toyota.com/about/our_business/at_a_glance/our_numbers/direct_employment.html Not only that, but the Toyota jobs are basically just lower paying blue collar jobs, where as GM has 50,000 engineers working over here. Toyota and other import car companies have brainwashed Americans into thinking that buying their car is just as good or better for the American economy than buying from the Big Three, because their car is assembled over here, but that is baloney. My friends...when we buy our cars from GM, Ford, or Chrysler, the money stays over here. Otherwise, it just goes down the drain. Sometimes when you own an American car, other money goes down the drain, like your own income. My first two cars were Fords, and they were broken so often that it affected my ability to get to work. I'll stick with cars that continue to operate dependably, and don't have stupid problems when they're still "young". Toyota, in other words. You will now point out that no car is without problems. Don't bother. That's obvious, but does nothing to support your opinion. Back to top   Ads Advertising Sponsor DaveW Guest Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 12:38 am    Post subject: Re: U.S. Employment: GM vs Toyota On Mon, 19 May 2008 14:41:59 -0400, "Mike hunt" <mikehunt22@lycos.com> wrote: Quote: I guess that explains why we are loosing so many jobs to other counties It's shocking that someone with such a clever nickname has such a loose grasp of the language. 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